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is it scored as a SAC bunt or SAC fly when it moves a runner, or do you need to score on a SAC fly
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SAC question
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Generally, moving the lead runner is sufficient to score a SAC on a bunt or caught fly ball (fair or foul).
If you want to delve into excruciating detail...
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/Softball/softball easy print stats manual.pdf
NCAA scoring rules:
14.2.28
Sacrifice:
Credit given to a batter who, with fewer than two outs, advances one or more runners by bunting and
is called out at first base or would have been called out had no error occurred; or is not called out because the defense plays
on another base runner who advances safely.
14.2.29
Sacrifice fly:
A legally batted fly ball with fewer than two outs that results in a base runner scoring a run. If the fielder drops the ball but, in the scorer’s opinion, the runner would have scored had the fielder held the ball, the play shall be scored as a sacrifice fly, and an error shall be given to the defensive player.
14.2.28
Sacrifice:
Credit given to a batter who, with fewer than two outs, advances one or more runners by bunting and
is called out at first base or would have been called out had no error occurred; or is not called out because the defense plays
on another base runner who advances safely.
14.2.29
Sacrifice fly:
A legally batted fly ball with fewer than two outs that results in a base runner scoring a run. If the fielder drops the ball but, in the scorer’s opinion, the runner would have scored had the fielder held the ball, the play shall be scored as a sacrifice fly, and an error shall be given to the defensive player.
The scoring term definitions in 14.2 are sufficient to answer OP's question, however definitions shouldn't be taken as authoritative when the term is also covered in their own individual section. NCAA should add "(See Rule 14.xx)" references to those definitions.
14.8 Sacrifice
A sacrifice is credited to the batter in the following situations:
14.8.1 When a plate appearance meets the following four criteria: 1) there are fewer than two outs, 2) the batter advances one or more base runners by bunting, 3) the ball must be bunted (that is, not swung at, not slapped at, not chopped at), and 4) the batter is called out at first base or would have been out had no error occurred.
Note: Just as the official scorer should award base hits instead of charging errors in cases involving doubt, a play that meets all four criteria for a sacrifice should be scored as such instead of simply awarding a putout and assist (if applicable).
14.8.2 When, with fewer than two outs, the defense (without error) fails to get the lead base runner out on any type of bunt.
Note: If the lead base runner is tagged out in an attempt to advance more than one base, it is scored a fielder’s choice. If the batter is obviously bunting for a hit in a situation in which a sacrifice is not normally used, credit the hitter with an at-bat.
14.8.3 When, with fewer than two outs, the lead base runner advances by means of a bunt even though a trailing runner is out.
14.8.4 When, with fewer than two outs and base runners at first and third bases, the pitcher fields a bunt, holds the base runner at third base, throws the base runner out at first base and the base runner at first advances safely to second base.
14.9 Sacrifice Not Credited
No sacrifice is credited in the following situations:
14.9.1 When a lead base runner advances on a bunt because of a dropped good throw.
14.9.2 When a batter inadvertently taps the ball into fair territory and it results in a base runner advancing and the batter being retired. The intent to sacrifice bunt must exist.
Note: Scoring for the left-handed running slapper should be the same as for a traditional left- or right-handed batter. If the running slapper clearly shows the intent to advance a base runner by bunting, credit a sacrifice. If the running slapper slaps or swings, charge an at-bat, even if a base runner advances.
14.9.3 When a play made on the lead base runner is successful and she is put out, charge the batter with an at-bat and fielder’s choice.
14.10 Sacrifice Fly
A sacrifice fly is credited to the batter in the following situations:
14.10.1 When a plate appearance meets the following four criteria: 1) there are fewer than two outs, 2) the batter hits a fly ball or line drive that scores a base runner, regardless of where the ball is caught (in fair or foul territory), as long as it is in play, 3) a run must score, and 4) a run batted in must be credited to the batter.
14.10.2 When a fair ball is dropped and an error charged, credit the batter with a sacrifice fly if the base runner would have scored with the catch.
Notes:
1. Although the batter in this case reaches base by virtue of an error when a sacrifice fly is not caught, she is not charged with an at-bat but is credited with a sacrifice fly, and the fielder is charged with the error.
2. Just as the official scorer should award base hits instead of charging errors in cases involving doubt, a sacrifice that meets all four criteria for a sacrifice fly should be scored as such instead of simply awarding a putout.
3. If the catcher clearly has the ball in her possession before the runner arrives but drops the ball as the runner attempts to score, the catcher is charged with an error, and a sacrifice fly and run batted in are not credited to the batter.
4. Unlike scoring for a sacrifice (bunt/hit), the batter’s intentions are irrelevant for a sacrifice fly.
14.8 Sacrifice
A sacrifice is credited to the batter in the following situations:
14.8.1 When a plate appearance meets the following four criteria: 1) there are fewer than two outs, 2) the batter advances one or more base runners by bunting, 3) the ball must be bunted (that is, not swung at, not slapped at, not chopped at), and 4) the batter is called out at first base or would have been out had no error occurred.
Note: Just as the official scorer should award base hits instead of charging errors in cases involving doubt, a play that meets all four criteria for a sacrifice should be scored as such instead of simply awarding a putout and assist (if applicable).
14.8.2 When, with fewer than two outs, the defense (without error) fails to get the lead base runner out on any type of bunt.
Note: If the lead base runner is tagged out in an attempt to advance more than one base, it is scored a fielder’s choice. If the batter is obviously bunting for a hit in a situation in which a sacrifice is not normally used, credit the hitter with an at-bat.
14.8.3 When, with fewer than two outs, the lead base runner advances by means of a bunt even though a trailing runner is out.
14.8.4 When, with fewer than two outs and base runners at first and third bases, the pitcher fields a bunt, holds the base runner at third base, throws the base runner out at first base and the base runner at first advances safely to second base.
14.9 Sacrifice Not Credited
No sacrifice is credited in the following situations:
14.9.1 When a lead base runner advances on a bunt because of a dropped good throw.
14.9.2 When a batter inadvertently taps the ball into fair territory and it results in a base runner advancing and the batter being retired. The intent to sacrifice bunt must exist.
Note: Scoring for the left-handed running slapper should be the same as for a traditional left- or right-handed batter. If the running slapper clearly shows the intent to advance a base runner by bunting, credit a sacrifice. If the running slapper slaps or swings, charge an at-bat, even if a base runner advances.
14.9.3 When a play made on the lead base runner is successful and she is put out, charge the batter with an at-bat and fielder’s choice.
14.10 Sacrifice Fly
A sacrifice fly is credited to the batter in the following situations:
14.10.1 When a plate appearance meets the following four criteria: 1) there are fewer than two outs, 2) the batter hits a fly ball or line drive that scores a base runner, regardless of where the ball is caught (in fair or foul territory), as long as it is in play, 3) a run must score, and 4) a run batted in must be credited to the batter.
14.10.2 When a fair ball is dropped and an error charged, credit the batter with a sacrifice fly if the base runner would have scored with the catch.
Notes:
1. Although the batter in this case reaches base by virtue of an error when a sacrifice fly is not caught, she is not charged with an at-bat but is credited with a sacrifice fly, and the fielder is charged with the error.
2. Just as the official scorer should award base hits instead of charging errors in cases involving doubt, a sacrifice that meets all four criteria for a sacrifice fly should be scored as such instead of simply awarding a putout.
3. If the catcher clearly has the ball in her possession before the runner arrives but drops the ball as the runner attempts to score, the catcher is charged with an error, and a sacrifice fly and run batted in are not credited to the batter.
4. Unlike scoring for a sacrifice (bunt/hit), the batter’s intentions are irrelevant for a sacrifice fly.
Be careful with that document because it isn't an accurate extraction from the rules. For example, 14.9.2 under Sacrifice Not Credited is different.
From "easy print" manual:
14.9.2 When a batter inadvertently taps the ball into fair territory and it results in a runner advancing and the batter being retired. The intent to sacrifice bunt must exist.
Note: Scoring for the left-handed running slapper should be the same as for a traditional left- or right-handed batter. If the running slapper clearly shows the intent to advance a base runner, credit a sacrifice. If modifications are not made to the running slapper’s swing or motion, charge an at-bat, even if a base runner advances.
From 2017 full rule book (https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/SR17.pdf):
14.9.2 When a batter inadvertently taps the ball into fair territory and it results in a base runner advancing and the batter being retired. The intent to sacrifice bunt must exist.
Note: Scoring for the left-handed running slapper should be the same as for a traditional left- or right-handed batter. If the running slapper clearly shows the intent to advance a base runner by bunting, credit a sacrifice. If the running slapper slaps or swings, charge an at-bat, even if a base runner advances.
Runner has to score for it to be a SAC fly. Only advancing a base if it doesn't score a run isn't a sac fly.
