more drama from Florida v Auburn

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Aug 31, 2011
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Jawja
How do you know this?
Do you have inside information?

Is there evidence to the contrary?? Have I missed an apology somewhere? If so, I will retract my statement, because I have seen a public apology from Coach. All I have seen from her is the continuous liking of tweets relating to her being a victim, and how her "fans" want to kick Coach Walton's rear.

I could have missed something, please let me know where I have, so I can fix it.
 

Greenmonsters

Wannabe Duck Boat Owner
Feb 21, 2009
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What is an 'alternative fact'?

Just like recommendations in the tech hitting forum to try it yourself and swing a bat, set up high five lines and see if you end up pushing someone's shoulder when you miss because their hand isn't up. If in doubt, rely on the Hansen principle and compare slow mo video of your and Walton-Fagan experiences to those you consider the best in the business.
 
Jun 18, 2010
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Exerpt from alligator.org, full article here:

Column: The now-infamous softball push: Why UF's coach deserves more of the blame

Though the sequence of events is up for interpretation, here’s how I saw it: Fagan dropped her hand, choosing not to high-five Walton at least a couple players before the two would’ve slapped palms. Walton, who had plenty of time to see what was happening in front of him, chose to high-five Fagan’s shoulder instead. An annoyed Fagan then pushed Walton’s back before the two exchanged words.

What you also need to know is the backstory here.

Back in 2012, Walton dismissed Fagan’s sisters — Kasey and Sami — along with Cheyenne Coyle from the program following a team altercation.

The details as to why never fully emerged.

So it’s safe to say Monday night some of that bad blood between Walton and the Fagan family spilled onto the field.

And it was all very petty, from both sides.

But Walton was in the wrong more than Fagan was, and here’s why.

Nowhere in the NCAA rulebook does it say a player has to high-five every single member of the high-five line (though page one does say sportsmanship is a core value of the NCAA). Heck, she doesn’t even have to say “good game” to anyone if she doesn’t feel like it.

Think of it like standing for the Pledge of Allegiance in school. Sure, everyone else expects you to take part, but by no means is it mandatory.

I’ve played baseball for nearly my entire life, and I’ve congratulated every player of the opposing team I’ve shared the field with.

But if someone didn’t want to fist bump? Fine by me. Be the poor sport you are.

What Walton should have done was put his hand down too, and thought to himself, “Man, I sure am glad that brat isn’t on my team.”

Instead, he brushed Fagan’s shoulder and issued an apology through the team’s Twitter account less than a day later.

“I apologize to Haley. I just wanted to congratulate Auburn on the win – it was a good series,” Walton said. “My intent was to give a high-five to each opposing player as we do after every game. Apparently, her hand wasn’t up as I said ‘good game’ and I touched her shoulder. I should have paid closer attention and did not intend to upset her.”

He went on.

“I regret that this has taken attention away from the effort and sportsmanship both teams displayed all weekend.”

The key word there is “apparently.” I believe Walton knew exactly what he was doing, but I’ll let you be the judge.

Sports are emotional. Players and coaches get heated. That I have no problem accepting.

But this was different.

This wasn’t like the time LSU running back Leonard Fournette shoved Florida defensive backs coach Torrian Gray in a pregame scuffle this past football season.

Players are childish all the time. That much seems pretty obvious.

But coaches — especially at a school like the University of Florida — should hold themselves to higher standards.
 

TMD

Feb 18, 2016
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Just like recommendations in the tech hitting forum to try it yourself and swing a bat, set up high five lines and see if you end up pushing someone's shoulder when you miss because their hand isn't up. If in doubt, rely on the Hansen principle and compare slow mo video of your and Walton-Fagan experiences to those you consider the best in the business.

Actually, if you can find video from games 1 or 2 and compare them with game 3, you'll see Walton respond differently. I'm sorry that I don't have video to share, but Saturday's game 1 was available for replay on WatchESPN and I specifically watched the end and post-game high five line. Fagan led the Auburn line and Walton was last in the Florida line. You can clearly see Fagan drop her hand one person before she got to Walton. Walton kept his hand up and never moved or extended his arm. He did look momentarily flustered when Fagan's hand wasn't there, but that's all. Fagan then turned back behind him to go back through the line and high five her teammates, and was staring daggers into Walton's back.

EDIT: Was able to grab a few screen grabs from WatchESPN (can't capture the video) from game 1.

game 1 cap 1.JPG (note: hand wasn't dropped until the female coach in front of Walton)game 1 cap 2.JPGgame 1 cap 3.JPG

My point? Game 1, Walton wasn't expecting the hand drop and therefore didn't register/react other than a momentary confused look after she passed. By game 3 (haven't seen game 2 video but have heard she dropped hand there too), he had to be expecting it and reacted with the arm extension and shoulder "shove".

As I've said in the other 356 page thread, bad form all the way around - the petulant player and the cocky coach - but the greater burden lies with the coach IMO. He does nothing (like he did in games 1 and 2), then all we're left with is a whiny brat who feels she is more important than the game and the name on the front of the uniform. Instead, he extends and "shoves" and it's now front page news.
 
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ian

Jun 11, 2015
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Just like recommendations in the tech hitting forum to try it yourself and swing a bat, set up high five lines and see if you end up pushing someone's shoulder when you miss because their hand isn't up. If in doubt, rely on the Hansen principle and compare slow mo video of your and Walton-Fagan experiences to those you consider the best in the business.

Everyone knows Walton pushed her on purpose.

I asked you what is 'alternative fact'. Never heard that term before.
 
Feb 17, 2014
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No surprise that sources indicate the biggest problem facing both parties will not be from the NCAA or their respective institutions, but the SEC.
 

ian

Jun 11, 2015
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Walton triggered her. What was she supposed to do? She is just a little baby kid.

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