Classy umpire

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Ken Krause

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Since we all like to complain about umpires now and then, I thought I'd share a story about a local Blue whose actions I appreciated the other night.

I was out watching a HS JV game where a friend of mine's daughter was pitching. At one point, the batter hit the ball to the outfield. As she ran to first I could see the first baseman (who is inexperienced) stood in the way of where the batter/runner would normally round the bag. I had seen this once earlier in the game, so this time I looked at the umpire immediately and observed he saw what I saw. His arm was out signalling delayed dead ball. The runner came around first, hesitated and then went back. Even though it was against my friend's daughter's team, the coach in me was thinking "go go go, this is a freebie."

When the play was over, the umpire awarded second base to the batter/runner even though she'd gone back to first. My friend, of course, questioned it, and I wasn't sure of the answer either. We discussed it among ourselves a bit since normally I believe the runner has to make an attempt at the next base, and is awarded it if she is thrown out on a close play. I finally suggested maybe NFHS rules are different.

A little later between innings, the umpire came to where we were sitting behind home and said, "I heard you guys discussing that play. In NFHS rules she doesn't have to make an attempt to be awarded the base."

Now, I don't have an NFHS rulebook so I don't know if that's true or not. But I thought it was nice of the Blue to go out of his way to resolve the discussion and educate us if it is true. He was very professional about it. I think he also appreciated that we weren't yelling about it, we were just trying to figure out why the call was different than we would expect.

In any case, I thought it was a classy move, and we both thanked him for the clarification - which he was under no obligation to give us.
 
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I've noticed several instances lately of umpires interacting with the players in a positive way. Explaining a call to a player, what they could do differently to get the preferred call instead. I think that's pretty classy and cool also. We had a similar experience to what you describe last night. My DH and I were behind home plate and the ump made a call we didn't understand. We thought we heard him call a hit foul but it wasn't, it was hit to short stop. So we were really confused. He must have heard us because he came over and explained what the call was (it was catcher interference IIRC). We're just parents watching, and we weren't acting up or anything, just like, huh, what was that call I wonder? I thought that was nice of him to come fill us in.
 
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Its in every softball rule set, not just NFHS. If a runner is obstructed, at the conclusion of play they and any other runner affected by the obstruction are to be awarded the base or bases the umpire judges they would have reached if not obstructed. There is absolutely no requirement that they attempt to advance to receive the award.
 

JAD

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I was out watching a HS JV game where a friend of mine's daughter was pitching. At one point, the batter hit the ball to the outfield. As she ran to first I could see the first baseman (who is inexperienced) stood in the way of where the batter/runner would normally round the bag. I had seen this once earlier in the game, so this time I looked at the umpire immediately and observed he saw what I saw. His arm was out signalling delayed dead ball. The runner came around first, hesitated and then went back. Even though it was against my friend's daughter's team, the coach in me was thinking "go go go, this is a freebie."

The field umpires extended arm is for obstruction, and it is not a dead ball.
 

MTR

Jun 22, 2008
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Since we all like to complain about umpires now and then, I thought I'd share a story about a local Blue whose actions I appreciated the other night.

I was out watching a HS JV game where a friend of mine's daughter was pitching. At one point, the batter hit the ball to the outfield. As she ran to first I could see the first baseman (who is inexperienced) stood in the way of where the batter/runner would normally round the bag. I had seen this once earlier in the game, so this time I looked at the umpire immediately and observed he saw what I saw. His arm was out signalling delayed dead ball. The runner came around first, hesitated and then went back. Even though it was against my friend's daughter's team, the coach in me was thinking "go go go, this is a freebie."

When the play was over, the umpire awarded second base to the batter/runner even though she'd gone back to first. My friend, of course, questioned it, and I wasn't sure of the answer either. We discussed it among ourselves a bit since normally I believe the runner has to make an attempt at the next base, and is awarded it if she is thrown out on a close play. I finally suggested maybe NFHS rules are different.


A little later between innings, the umpire came to where we were sitting behind home and said, "I heard you guys discussing that play. In NFHS rules she doesn't have to make an attempt to be awarded the base."

Now, I don't have an NFHS rulebook so I don't know if that's true or not. But I thought it was nice of the Blue to go out of his way to resolve the discussion and educate us if it is true. He was very professional about it. I think he also appreciated that we weren't yelling about it, we were just trying to figure out why the call was different than we would expect.

In any case, I thought it was a classy move, and we both thanked him for the clarification - which he was under no obligation to give us.

In ASA & NFHS, the umpire awards the runner the base to which in his/her judgment the runner would have reached safely had the OBS not occurred. The runner is not required to do anything, nor should the award reflect the runner's actions or inactions.

In today's world, I wouldn't have approached you simply because it does not give a good appearance or precedent. 20/25 years ago, maybe, not today. Want to discuss a rule after the game and I'm available, I'll give you all the time I can.
 

Ken Krause

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Thanks for the clarifications. Seems odd that you are awarded the base even if you didn't try for it, but I guess that's what I get for not checking a rulebook before posting.
 

Ken Krause

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The field umpires extended arm is for obstruction, and it is not a dead ball.

Why would you give a signal for a delayed dead ball if it wasn't a delayed dead ball? Seems to me that would be confusing. Here's what I found online from the NSA rulebook. I imagine it's pretty much the same in all rulebooks:

EFFECT: When obstruction occurs, the umpire shall call “OBSTRUCTION” and give a delayed dead ball signal for obstruction.NOTE: Failure of the umpire to call Obstruction DOES NOT negate the Obstruction 1) If the obstructed runner is put out prior to reaching the base they would have reached had there not been obstruction, a dead ball is called and the obstructed runner and each runner affected by the obstruction shall be awarded the base(s) in the umpire’s judgment, the runner(s) would have reached had there not been obstruction. An obstructed runner cannot be called out between the bases where they were obstructed
 
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Interesting. In my experience, most umpires don't award the next base unless the runner makes an attempt to get to the next base.
 

JAD

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Why would you give a signal for a delayed dead ball if it wasn't a delayed dead ball? Seems to me that would be confusing. Here's what I found online from the NSA rulebook. I imagine it's pretty much the same in all rulebooks:

EFFECT: When obstruction occurs, the umpire shall call “OBSTRUCTION” and give a delayed dead ball signal for obstruction.NOTE: Failure of the umpire to call Obstruction DOES NOT negate the Obstruction 1) If the obstructed runner is put out prior to reaching the base they would have reached had there not been obstruction, a dead ball is called and the obstructed runner and each runner affected by the obstruction shall be awarded the base(s) in the umpire’s judgment, the runner(s) would have reached had there not been obstruction. An obstructed runner cannot be called out between the bases where they were obstructed

I think the key word is "If".....when I think of a dead ball, I think of all play stopping immediately and that is not necessarily the case with obstruction. I think interference is a dead ball and play stops immediately.
 
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