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Nov 30, 2018
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MLB player with armbar. He'll never make it.:)

No he doesn't! His arm is not straight anyway, but even less during the swing. If straight this angle would show a straight arm, without the change of angle at the elbow, like in your example. Watch the Antonelli videos. By the way, those that are rather "barred" are few and far between. Why would you teach kids to do the exception committed by exceptional MLB athletes? It isn't a road to success. If you can explain to me the best way within the context of physics how to hit a 100mph fastball at the letters with an arm bar, or the other option, the same player without, I want to hear it. Or how to hit a rise-ball with an upper-cut (which I am told is fine here before), with also within the principles of physics, then I will certainly contribute the time to listen.
 
Apr 2, 2015
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Woodstock, man
Why would you teach kids to do the exception committed by exceptional MLB athletes? It isn't a road to success.

I teach what is verified by video evidence of actual MLB hitters. I do not try to 'fix' armbar, since some/many/most MLB hitters hit with what most people consider 'armbar' (like Betts)[if someone saw a kid with a front arm like this, they would say they had armbar].

Most youth hitters have bat drag (hands behind the back elbow), I try to help fix that.
 
Jun 27, 2018
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True story...my 18u DD has a hitting coach that teaches a swing that a lot of old timers around here (NE) hate. That just seems to me what it is...he teaches a TTB swing I guess is the best way to describe it. I have friends in the south and it seems to be more accepted there, from what they say. First year 16u she was hitting around .600 that Fall. Gained some interest from a D1 coach we found out later after they saw her at a tournament. So over that winter he tried to overhaul her swing to be more in line with what he and his organization was teaching. He even berated her in front of teammates. I guess he was trying to be funny but he embarrassed her. Totally screwed her up. Then in the Spring he took her out of the hitting line up completely. So she had no way of trying to get her hitting back against live pitching in a game situation. She did however, play every game on defense. (C). The only reason I bring this up is at the end of the season gave each girl an “evaluation” on what they were strong at and what they needed to work on. He told her (I am not lying) that she would never make a college roster as a catcher and hitting is what was going to get her in college. This was the complete opposite of how he used her on his team. Thank God she is doing well now in hitting and defense, and on her way to a D3.


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True story...my 18u DD has a hitting coach that teaches a swing that a lot of old timers around here (NE) hate. That just seems to me what it is...he teaches a TTB swing I guess is the best way to describe it. I have friends in the south and it seems to be more accepted there, from what they say. First year 16u she was hitting around .600 that Fall. Gained some interest from a D1 coach we found out later after they saw her at a tournament. So over that winter he tried to overhaul her swing to be more in line with what he and his organization was teaching. He even berated her in front of teammates. I guess he was trying to be funny but he embarrassed her. Totally screwed her up. Then in the Spring he took her out of the hitting line up completely. So she had no way of trying to get her hitting back against live pitching in a game situation. She did however, play every game on defense. (C). The only reason I bring this up is at the end of the season gave each girl an “evaluation” on what they were strong at and what they needed to work on. He told her (I am not lying) that she would never make a college roster as a catcher and hitting is what was going to get her in college. This was the complete opposite of how he used her on his team. Thank God she is doing well now in hitting and defense, and on her way to a D3.


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Parents better take note from posts like this when you're thinking athletics is a great way to get in to College. College coaches will chew you up and spit you out
 
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I am totally with you. You have to ask when you get the opportunity. This site has been so helpful to us in our recruiting process to know to ask those questions.

My daughter is a pitcher. We were on campus for a recruiting visit and watched a practice. The pitching coach was having them do all sorts of HE drills which goes against everything my daughter has been taught. My daughter asked if that was required for all her pitchers. It was, and it was not just for drills That was the pitching method for the school. My daughter's interest level went to about 0.

My interest level went to 0 about two hours earlier when my daughter asked the head coach the graduation rate for the team and the coached answered "I want to win". I was in shock the coach did not even pretend to care about the school side of things.

They actually ended up offering what turned out be my daughter's best offer money wise, but it was not a good fit softball wise. She ended up taking a lesser offer in what seems like the perfect fit school and coach wise.


Winning is the coaches job. Its his livelihood.
He gets fired if he doesnt win
His players also may not get scholarship renewed under new coach.

So you better want to win too.
It is #1 priority. You arent playing for fun.

Every coach cares about academics
They need academic aid to complete an aid package for most if their players. Further, if ACT under 25, all academic aid counts against athletic aid. Very few dumb girls get to play softball....unless parents pay most of school, or pitcher on full athletic scholarship. Softball graduation rates arent an issue. May take 5 years though. Parents may foot bill for more than they expect. Player may have to switch to cheaper school to graduate, or player/parents borrow $$$$$ for the 5th yr.

To graduate in 4yrs , my DD had to go in summer several years . Only allowed to take 12hrs in spring due to schedule.....guess who paid for summer every year!

That's something most parents aren't thinking about.......

A small state school....with summer tuition $2000 maybe no big deal. My DD summer tuition was $12,000 every yr. Then there's room and board if living off campus too. Or on.


Many parents mistakenly expect college to be a free ride for their softball DD . It seldom is. Many wont admit how much it cost....

18G teammate of my dd played for a well respected academic D3 with strong team, always challenged regionally/nationally. After academic aid.....and her student loans...her parents still had to borrow $30k to send her there.
 
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Winning is the coaches job. Its his livelihood.
He gets fired if he doesnt win
His players also may not get scholarship renewed under new coach.

So you better want to win too.
It is #1 priority. You arent playing for fun.
You can play to win and care about your players' education. They do not have to be mutually exclusive. I will argue a good coach can, and will do, both. Well, for me at least, the coach better be about both or my daughter will not be going to that school. My daughter, who just verballed this past week, picked a school where the coach wins and graduates her players.
 
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You can play to win and care about your players' education. They do not have to be mutually exclusive. I will argue a good coach can, and will do, both. Well, for me at least, the coach better be about both or my daughter will not be going to that school. My daughter, who just verballed this past week, picked a school where the coach wins and graduates her players.


Coach really cant do anything.
Except bench someone doing poorly
Its ALL up to the girls to maintain grades AND keep up with team. No ones going to cut them any slack. They can get some help being tutored but generally intelligent girls don't need tutors..... It's lack of time not lack of being able to understand the material.

At a competitive school its a hard busy schedule. You will take up to 18 hrs in fall, only be allowed 12hrs in spring , and either summer school or going another 5th year not on scholarship is pretty much a requirement.

Unless you major in tiddlywinks you're not going to graduate in 4 years going only spring and fall semesters. You can't take the hours needed and keep grades up. At a minimum, about 5 hours a day are devoted to workouts and practice... And getting to and from such. It starts with getting up at 5:30 to get to 6 a.m. workouts everyday...... And going to bed at midnight.

Even in Fall there's morning weight lifting, etc. And "optional" workouts, there aren't really optional.

By time DD finished practice her 1st 2 yrs, cafeteria was closed. Had to go to Sonic every night for food. Couldn't eat there either for lunch because of her class schedule..... have to be done with all classes by 2 p.m. so no lunch break.
So for 4 semesters I paid for food because the meal plan paid for by scholarship was totally useless. That alone was at least $3,600 a year I wasnt expecting (cost of basic meal plan, I have no idea what my actual expense was....probably a lot more). When she got off campus into apartment that was much better.

I paid .....about $2000 parking tickets on campus over 4 yrs as well. To get to practice on time....she had to drive to field. By time she got back to dorm late after practice ..... There was no place available to park. She needed to study so she would park illegally and count on moving it early. But occasionally she forgot.. same if she had to study with somebody or visit some other place on campus. No time to deal with not having a parking space when needed, and having to park elsewhere and walk 20 min.

0ther essentials.....iwatch. coach would send out messages during the day that you needed to receive..... Concerning practice games departure times etc.....but you were not allowed to have your phone out in class it could be taken away........ Every player had to have i-watch to get those messages without having their phone out. It was simply a necessity they all ended up getting them for Christmas their freshman year.

It was a great experience for her, made her a better student, better manager of her time. But it was hard.
It prepared her for her grad school program...... Which, she says was so hard that if she had known before hand, she would not have done it. She's about to graduate but says she would not do her grad school program again.......


She really misses the softball.
 
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