Help with swing

[Buttermaker]

kid just can't figure it out and Dad jumps and asks you what are you trying to get her to tilt? Your answer?

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

kid just can't figure it out and Dad jumps and asks you what are you trying to get her to tilt? Your answer?

I've worked with tons of kids that have body awareness issues ..... and I've yet to come across one that couldn't isolate a lateral side bend.

I mean I have kids that would be challenged to touch their nose with their eyes closed ..... yet they can perform a lateral side bend.

 

[Buttermaker]

I've worked with tons of kids that have body awareness issues ..... and I've yet to come across one that couldn't isolate a lateral side bend.

I mean I have kids that would be challenged to touch their nose with their eyes closed ..... yet they can perform a lateral side bend.

Lateral side bend meaning tilt your shoulders and bend your spine?

 

[Mudders Brudder]

Introduced the concept to one gold-level hitter who was already pretty decent, but had a habit of jutting her lead arm forward to start her swing. With her I refer to the concept as making “all body swings” … using the entire body, inclusive of the core. The notion being that the lead arm is a ‘swinger’ that is inspired by the cores usage (inclusive of the lateral tilt) … with the top hand joining the party as the ‘smasher’. This kid began hitting the ball so hard, that it didn’t just clear our softball fence, but deposited ball-after-ball deep into the boy’s neighboring Varsity baseball field. Her hitting was so impressive that a group of soccer players on an adjacent field interrupted their soccer game and applauded this lady for two minutes straight.

When you use your body good things happen. I understand and respect a lot of the rear-side usage I read .... just suggesting that there is more.

This might come as a surprise to you, but this is what I wrote in a PM to a couple guys several years ago when we were having a private discussion at another site regarding the "rear-side usage" vs. strictly the "core"....

I still like what is said about the "bottom of the top, and top of the bottom", and the division being in the hip socket vs. at the waist.

So yes, the pelvis is part of the torso, and upper half IMO...this is why I believe the core is quite extensively involved in the resistance of pelvis against the leg, and controlling/directing the lead leg while it's off the ground or unweighted.

Thought it might help in "clarifying" my beliefs wrt the subject(s) being discussed.

My apologies for continuing to come back when I said I was done with the discussion.

 

[Spartans21]

Five maybe now you can elaborate on how you teach kids to turn their barrel.

In another thread you said that TM doesn't understand how the lead arm and rear arm work and that his teachings are "messed up". I'm interested in how you teach the rear and lead arm functions to a young player.....

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Five maybe now you can elaborate on how you teach kids to turn their barrel.

In another thread you said that TM doesn't understand how the lead arm and rear arm work and that his teachings are "messed up". I'm interested in how you teach the rear and lead arm functions to a young player.....

If you truly wish to produce a healthy swing arc (i.e., "turn the barrel"), then you begin by teaching how the core's twisting motion (inclusive of lateral tilt) inspires lead arm usage. Understand where the pulling action comes from ... and it shouldn't be due to deciding to jut the lead elbow above your head.

The late pronation of the lead arm into contact is not a healthy teaching point IMO.

The yanking back of the rear arm at swing initiation is not a good teaching point either IMO.

If these concepts work for you then that's all that really matters.

 

[Spartans21]

If you truly wish to produce a healthy swing arc (i.e., "turn the barrel"), then you begin by teaching how the core's twisting motion (inclusive of lateral tilt) inspires lead arm usage. Understand where the pulling action comes from ... and it shouldn't be due to deciding to jut the lead elbow above your head.

The late pronation of the lead arm into contact is not a healthy teaching point IMO.

The yanking back of the rear arm at swing initiation is not a good teaching point either IMO.

If these concepts work for you then that's all that really matters.

So it's not a teach? Teach the core to work correctly and the arms will take care of themselves?

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

So it's not a teach? Teach the core to work correctly and the arms will take care of themselves?

No. Failure to understand lead arm initiation, and to instead yank the rear arm backwards is not the answer to proper hand usage ... IMO.

 

[Spartans21]

No. Failure to understand lead arm initiation, and to instead yank the rear arm backwards is not the answer to proper hand usage ... IMO.

Can you share with us what is proper teaching?

You have stated multiple times what you believe is NOT proper teaching.....

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Can you share with us what is proper teaching?

You have stated multiple times what you believe is NOT proper teaching.....

Perhaps I'll put together a description at some point.

For now, understand that the party does not begin with the top-hand yanking backwards to arc the barrel ... that action comes more from the bottom-hand ... with considerable assistance of a healthy core usage ... inclusive of the lateral tilt action we've been discussing.