Challenge....any takers?

[Spartans21]

Coil-Stretch-Separation is good, but you can't "think" separation, you have to set it up *to happen* you can't *make it happen*.

So instead: Coil-Stretch-Hands.

Once they understand what you mean by that, you can even go to:

Click-Click-Click (Uptick)

...which equals 1. Hip Coil-2.Lower Back Pull Back-3. Scap Pinch/Handload via Spine and then: (Go=Uptick to send the barrel rearward, let the lower get ahead of the upper and create hand pivot point to launch the swing)

I think you can -- and I have with girls on a tee -- reduce all the details of teaching to that: Click-Click-Click-Go

Rick, this is a fun exercise, so some feedback on YOUR contribution:

I think most here won't be big fans of Connection-Plane-Rotation these days. You are preaching to the "resist rotation" crowd lol

Anyway, really appreciate your pitching insights (I know almost nothing about pitching, having coached pitchers but never raised one). But "CPR" to me feels like the hitting version of hello elbow (ouch!...sorry) : )

More to the point of your exercise, I'd argue that Connection-Plane-Rotation would be meaningless to girls, which was your original requirement. An instructor would have to translate those terms for them.

The low back pull should be felt on the left side for a right handed hitter? Is that correct

 

[WARRIORMIKE]

Who's your daddy!

 

[leerph]

Hitting is Timing.

And I'm sure Rick will tell you that pitching is about destroying timing.

 

[pstein]

The low back pull should be felt on the left side for a right handed hitter? Is that correct

NO! If you're feeling it there, you're stretching your front side. You should feel it on the right side of your body. It should tighten the feeling caused by the hip coil.

 

[Spartans21]

NO! If you're feeling it there, you're stretching your front side. You should feel it on the right side of your body. It should tighten the feeling caused by the hip coil.

Is bb/a$$ to pitcher something that all the gurus believe in?

 

[pstein]

Is bb/a$$ to pitcher something that all the gurus believe in?

No. HI is against it, and a lot of other people are ambivalent towards it or think that it doesn't matter. I'm no guru, but I think it's not worth instructing.

 

[NoonTime]

Is bb/a$$ to pitcher something that all the gurus believe in?

Is there anything that "all the gurus believe in"?

No g00r00 here, but I really like a$$/bb as a cue that makes a lot of desirable things happen without having to focus on those desirable things individually. Can you get those things to happen by other means or other teaches? Sure. So in and of itself a$$/bb is not some revolutionary cue, and it needs to be incorporated with a proper coiling and proper sequence and a host of other three words only minutia, but IMO it get's one a lot closer to where they want to be in terms of a proper sequence.
- It helps with forward by coiling / balanced coiling.
- it helps get front shoulder down and in
- it helps prevent excessive counter rotation during coiling
- it aids in barrel tip so you don't have to muscle the tip with arms/hands, thus "saving" them for later loading
- it sets up the transition from coiling to loading (my sequence view is coiling - loading - launching)
- the release of the initial "a$$/bb towards pitcher" flows into balanced stretch/loading
- starts the barrel rearward into loading
- once you get the concept it's really a simple cue to come back to.

So are there other ways to teach and do all of that… sure. There are even multiple versions of the a$$/bb cue in terms of what the BB teach actually is… towards pitcher, or towards the front of the plate, or resistance to keep it pointed at the plate, etc. But this cue is a layup if you are going to incorporate coiling into your instruction IMO.

Not saying Miggy has ever given a second of thought to a$$/bb in his life, but have a go at it trying to duplicate Miggy here:

Cheers,
NoonTime

 

[NoonTime]

Application of a$$/bb towards pitcher during coiling:

Release of initial a$$/bb toward pitcher assisting with transition to loading:

Thanks for the GIFs!

 

[TDS]

P or dick have never felt it... Can't feel it if your all caught up on rear leg only action..

 

[NoonTime]

I can't attest to whether anyone else has felt it. I do believe the rear leg action is critical in conjunction with everything else so I may differ with you TDS in some regard but I'm cool with that In fact if it were not for Rich (along with many others for sure, but he is a very loud drum banger if you know what I mean), certainly my understanding of rear leg action and the leg/hip relationship would not be what it is. Both in agreement with some of what he says and also through the back and forth dialog around the points of contention. Anyway, should Rich choose to elaborate I would love to hear his explanation of "P.S. Study the clip real close. What you think is happening....is IMPOSSIBLE".
Cheers,
NoonTime