similar but not the same

[jbooth]

Let me quote your guru word for word and you tell me at what point I mis-understood.

"1st the back leg drives the rear pelvic bone forward. Then the front foot lands. Then the front leg finishes by driving the pelvis open from the front and the pelvis pulls the upper body into rotation."

That's absolutely correct. He's isolating the leg movements. You then synch the hand and arm movements with that.

Are you saying that Bonds' legs and pelvis do not operate as stated? The back leg pushes, the front foot lands, and front leg straightens. Looks pretty clear and obvious to me, that that is what is happening here;

He flattens the bat as the back leg pushes, he gets the elbow down during the block, and throws the barrel during the push back.

 

[redhotcoach]

Are you saying that Bonds' legs and pelvis do not operate as stated? The back leg pushes, the front foot lands, and front leg straightens. Looks pretty clear and obvious to me, that that is what is happening here;

What doesn't happen is the description before you omitted words:

"1st the back leg drives the rear pelvic bone forward. Then the front foot lands. Then the front leg finishes by driving the pelvis open from the front and the pelvis pulls the upper body into rotation.

I am happy for you to see that you are slowly changing to what you have been arguing against.

 

[rdbass]

That's nonsense. If you believe that, then you haven't yet grasped what p-b-p is.

I'm just your average dad ( idiot) but, I appreciate you (JBooth) hanging in and explaining your position. What ever I may or may not believe happens during the swing. It makes me think and keeps me thinking. I enjoy it all. Thanks.

 

[jbooth]

What doesn't happen is the description before you omitted words:

"1st the back leg drives the rear pelvic bone forward. Then the front foot lands. Then the front leg finishes by driving the pelvis open from the front and the pelvis pulls the upper body into rotation.

I am happy for you to see that you are slowly changing to what you have been arguing against.

I'm not changing anything. He's describing individual actions, but that doesn't mean that they happen as absolute individual, separate moves. PBP is a flow. There is a point in the flow that the back leg and front leg are both pushing on the pelvis, in different directions. That's why you get more power with two legs, than with only one. The two legs are levers that are used in a flowing sequence, that rotates the entire torso.

It is simply a short-hand description of the energy flow. You can have PBP with coil, no-coil, or from an open front hip. PBP, in MY opinion, is describing "what" happens in a good swing. The "how" to get it done may vary. I know that Dr. Yeager teaches a straight line push. I prefer a push from a coiled position, but the coil isn't maintained very long, and even if you do maintain the coil; you still have PBP as a result. You can stay coiled all you wish, but you still have to block the forward momentum to keep your head centered, and the front leg pushes back and finishes the rotation.

Your belief in coil and IR, does not negate PBP as a physical action that conducts the kinetic energy flow.

 

[jbooth]

I'm just your average dad ( idiot) but, I appreciate you (JBooth) hanging in and explaining your position. What ever I may or may not believe happens during the swing. It makes me think and keeps me thinking. I enjoy it all. Thanks.

I did not intend to be rude to you. See my response to redhotcoach. Push Block Push is more of a "what" than a "how."

We can debate the how, but it IS "what" happens in all good MLB swings. However, in Ichiro's swing posted in the OP, he is not pushing as much as most power hitters, he has a weak block, and very little push back. Sure, he has coil, sure he has rotation (the what), but the way he is doing it (the how) isn't as effective as the way Ruth is doing it, to accelerate the bat at a high rate, and get it up to a high velocity. That's the difference I was hoping people would see.

 

[GOINGDEEP]

I'm just your average dad ( idiot) but, I appreciate you (JBooth) hanging in and explaining your position. What ever I may or may not believe happens during the swing. It makes me think and keeps me thinking. I enjoy it all. Thanks.

 

[HYP]

Do you really see push back in the front leg on this swing?

 

[Greenmonsters]

If I'm understanding correctly, what is being described is that both the rear leg and front leg are working to rotate the pelvis/hips counterclockwise (right-handed batter). If that is the case, then why doesn't a hitter keep rotating and spin completely around???

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Front hip rearward movement ...

 

[FiveFrameSwing]