Belly Button thread

[FiveFrameSwing]

Noon, please explain why you feel it would be wrong to describe the feel to be extracted from a cue, especially one that doesn’t actually match up with video of how the best hitters swing a bat, along with where in the body that feel should be located.

As someone that observed the drawn out BB/A$$ discussion, you should be able to appreciate attempts at clarity.

 

[NoonTime]

You're right FFS. It's not you, it's me. Back to ignore.

 

[liththunder]

Did you try it or just looking at video?

Remember the cue - try and keep the front hip lower than the rear hip.

Yes, I did try it and saw that my hip wasn't lower and verified w/video it wasn't seen that way either... That's why my original question was - it one of those things you try to do but doesn't really happen... and if it was more of a way to stretch the core - which after reading through the thread seems to be the case.

 

[NoonTime]

When you do the C - do you feel a stretch across the pelvis on the anterior side? That's how I feel it. And I feel a stretch up the ipsilateral side of my back (latissimus dorsi and quadratus lumborum) even with engaging the core.

When I use the other cues I feel the stretch across the posterior side of my pelvis that automatically creates a stretch in my glutues medius and contralateral side of my torso (front external oblique and front quadratus lumborum) as I pivot into the rear hip.

Trying to as descriptive as possible for some of the more seasoned posters.

What am I doing differently than you?

When you try C) are you keeping the upper torso back (towards catcher) so that you stay balanced over/on the rear leg? Or is the upper torso coming forward (towards pitcher) with the rear hip such that you "fall forward"?

 

[Buttermaker]

When you try C) are you keeping the upper torso back (towards catcher) so that you stay balanced over/on the rear leg? Or is the upper torso coming forward (towards pitcher) with the rear hip such that you "fall forward"?

C) Don't move your front hip or knee back, and try to move the rear hip forward and around the back so that it is directly behind the front hip. This should get you coiled in the rear hip while also shifting your center of gravity such that you are no longer balanced over your rear leg and begin to move in the direction towards the pitcher.

To do this - my front leg/hip has to be resisting, yes?

For extra fun after you have done C) a few times try to have the hip action described while keeping your belly button pointed at the wall in front of you. (i.e. as your hips "close" while moving forward, don't let your belly button turn back) . I say this assuming that as your were trying it before, as your hips "closed" your torso above also closed and belly button and shoulders pointed rearward as well. So try it again with the intent to keep your belly button from turning back. Note what that does to your shoulder line as you move forward. You should get some lowering of the front shoulder while keeping the shoulders in line with the pitcher.

Add this in and is gets confusing because I cannot do the original C without automatically engaging my thoracic spine (BB). Meaning I was already doing this.

What side on the pelvis do feel stretching while doing this? Butt side or zipper side?

 

[NoonTime]

To do this - my front leg/hip has to be resisting, yes?

Not really. What would they be resisting?

Add this in and is gets confusing because I cannot do the original C without automatically engaging my thoracic spine (BB). Meaning I was already doing this.

You were already doing what? A) Letting the bb point towards catcher as the hips closed. Or B) already keeping the bb pointed at the plate while the hips closed.

What side on the pelvis do feel stretching while doing this? Butt side or zipper side?

Butt side.

So when you tried C) did you stay balanced on rear leg or did you fall towards pitcher?

 

[Buttermaker]

Not really. What would they be resisting?

If you are saying to not move it back - then I assume you want the leg and hip to remain in place (knee as a reference point). If you are moving the rear hip as explained - how else can the front hip/leg stay in place?

You were already doing what? A) Letting the bb point towards catcher as the hips closed. Or B) already keeping the bb pointed at the plate while the hips closed.

B

Butt side.

So when you tried C) did you stay balanced on rear leg or did you fall towards pitcher?

Fall forward.

So, 2 things - the language is misleading in 'C' because I was trying to keep my front knee (as a reference point) from coming back to the catcher. To do this - the stretch happens on the anterior (zipper) side of the pelvis.

To get a stretch on the posterior side (butt) you have to allow the front knee to cock back as result of stretching the posterior side.

We're good.

 

[NoonTime]

If you are saying to not move it back - then I assume you want the leg and hip to remain in place (knee as a reference point). If you are moving the rear hip as explained - how else can the front hip/leg stay in place?

Fair enough. "Not moving it back" was as opposed to the action in A). Basically take the action out of the front leg and hip and place it in the rear. That doesn't mean the intent was to then keep the front leg and hip in place, but rather let it move forward due to the action in the rear.

B

Cool. I guess my experiment was not really geared towards someone already doing everything correctly

Fall forward.

So, 2 things - the language is misleading in 'C' because I was trying to keep my front knee (as a reference point) from coming back to the catcher. To do this - the stretch happens on the anterior (zipper) side of the pelvis.

To get a stretch on the posterior side (butt) you have to allow the front knee to cock back as result of stretching the posterior side.

Well you were doing it wrong. . I kid. But I don't think the front knee has to cock back.

We're good.

Sweet.

 

[Buttermaker]

I should have re phrased. It passively cocks back. Or at least I prefer it to. It's part of the corresponding squeezing of the anterior side of the pelvis.

Fair enough. "Not moving it back" was as opposed to the action in A). Basically take the action out of the front leg and hip and place it in the rear. That doesn't mean the intent was to then keep the front leg and hip in place, but rather let it move forward due to the action in the rear.


Cool. I guess my experiment was not really geared towards someone already doing everything correctly


Well you were doing it wrong. . I kid. But I don't think the front knee has to cock back.


Sweet.