Ty I think you nailed it! She stops ever so briefly at 40' and throws! It looks to me like a huge advantage and no one has ever called it and I couldn't even see it until I slo mowed it with coaches eye! Never seen anyone else do it....but it's interesting.
Legal or illegal??
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Ty I think you nailed it! She stops ever so briefly at 40' and throws! It looks to me like a huge advantage and no one has ever called it and I couldn't even see it until I slo mowed it with coaches eye! Never seen anyone else do it....but it's interesting.
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To me it is easy to pick up on the "hitched" motion of a replanting pitcher. I don't want to sound cocky but seriously I can pick up on these replanters upon seeing 2-3 pitches while walking into the park from the outfield... It's from 10+ years of focusing on SB pitching mechanics.
I used to battle hard on advantage/disadvantage of this topic here in DFP. But like Riseball touches on => We have to deal with the rules and how the general umpiring crowd applies those rules. My conclusion is that this area of SB is too convoluted and messed up to ever expect this "advantage" to be dealt with appropriately (not enough outrage - as is the case with many areas of our culture). My advice is that the faster you can defocus on this the less stress you will feel as a pitcher parent. My "joy" in this area is watching coaches-of/parents-of these replanting pitchers "freak-out" when they do get an umpire that tries to call it illegal. These situations can be as amusing as watching all the flopping in soccer! Wonderful academy award performances.... BUT then I see these replanting pitchers, especially the youngest ones who just want to pitch their best, get into games where they are just hammered with IP calls and watching the demoralized crying faces of these young innocent pitchers reminds me that this FUBAR area of SB is a no-win scenario at best.
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Sticks, okay, so what I see is basically an agreement with those above. I see a crow hop with a replant.
It doesn't stand out that much to be noticeable for most umpires to notice.
Would it ever get called? Hard to say. It may never, and then there may be that one blue that's going to call it.
Personally I wouldn't try to change my DD into doing something, that may get called because we were drawing that fine line.
I would though spend that time refining mechanics and spin which will give her enough of the advantageous benefits she needs.
It doesn't stand out that much to be noticeable for most umpires to notice.
Would it ever get called? Hard to say. It may never, and then there may be that one blue that's going to call it.
Personally I wouldn't try to change my DD into doing something, that may get called because we were drawing that fine line.
I would though spend that time refining mechanics and spin which will give her enough of the advantageous benefits she needs.
120 teams in a big college exposure this past weekend. Umpires were brought in from all over the country. 2 of the umpires that I am friends with usually do college games, world series, nationally televised games year round-GREAT umpires.
2 of my pitchers use this motion and they bring more heat than anyone we faced. I saw about a dozen others using it as well. The umpires I noted above had no issue with her motion or mechanics. I asked them specifically-no issue. The only illegal pitch called all weekend I was told was the "double touching the ball"
So you may be on to something here
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In my book, which I am not stating agrees or disagrees with any other book, a "crow-hopper" is signified by the re-plant. To me a crow-hopper may or may not keep their push-foot on the ground. But as soon as ya replant that back foot before release => "ka-caw, ka-caw" !!!!
In my simple world the replant is an advantage ya either have to allow it or ban it. In my simple world it's EASY to identify a replant. AND I AM NOT some super smart special-eye-powers guy. In my world this inpropriety in pitching is abolished.
Then I woke up.......
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"Leap" = Push foot off the ground level, at the same time as the stride foot off the ground level, prior to release
That is simply because of two things.
1) It is very slight and in real time is very hard to see.
2) Most umps won't call an ip for that. Esp. since it is minor and will likely believe it's more trouble to prove than it's worth.
Not saying I agree, but umpires don't ask my permission to call or not call IPs either!
120 teams in a big college exposure this past weekend. Umpires were brought in from all over the country. 2 of the umpires that I am friends with usually do college games, world series, nationally televised games year round-GREAT umpires.
2 of my pitchers use this motion and they bring more heat than anyone we faced. I saw about a dozen others using it as well. The umpires I noted above had no issue with her motion or mechanics. I asked them specifically-no issue. The only illegal pitch called all weekend I was told was the "double touching the ball"
So you may be on to something here
Well crap....if they aren't going to call it????? Why not USE it??? Your basically jumping out to 40' replanting and throwing!! No wonder there faster! The girl in the video does do a nice job of keeping her hips open! Which is what my daughter doesn't do! Also she got her arm locked out and gets no whip. This girl also does a nice job of getting some bend in the arm. It would be a major change and at this point I think cleaning up her mechanics is the best bet!!
Except in ASA. With their clarification of the push/drag/push being legal, they have effectively eliminated a crow hop. Now you must come off the ground in order to crow hop, which means it then falls into the "Leap" category.
