Belly Button thread

[FP26]

... many of the female hitters that I work with will take cues literally ... and hence the need for explanations.

I have noticed that female players do tend to take things more literally than male players, at least in my experience. But I have also found it important to be able to explain concepts in multiple ways and be able to demonstrate them. Some students need the visual association. Some can learn from video with explanation (my DD likes this method). Some can work from cues. The teacher needs to be able to adapt to the strengths and weaknesses of the student in order to bring out the best in him/her. I appreciate the introduction of alternate ideas (such as this belly button cue) because it offers me another method of getting the message across. The more I know and understand, the better I can become, and more importantly, the more I can help those I work with.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I never said otherwise, did I? But, when you have an agenda you make up stuff (like the Handsome Principle) to make yourself look smart.

I am getting Pm;s about you as well - works with no one - manages a coffee shop.

When you began posting that hitters should have their lead hip lower than their rear hip, you failed to mention that you didn't want them to succeed with that objective. Sort of an important point that can lead to frustration.

The Hanson Principle is a decent enough filter to help filter out nonsense.

As for having an agenda ... you might look a bit deeper regarding your PM sources. I work with hitters fairly frequently ... just returned from a hitting session with a college player and session with a HS kid ... have a session tomorrow morning at 7am and they will be bringing me coffee. As for your coffee shop management info .... just too funny.

Don't be afraid to keep the topic on hitting though. You know .... offer cues and forget to tell folks not to actually perform the cue you are recommending.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Sure they talk about the hands but you knuckleheads translate it to turning the barrel. Name a hitter that talks about turning the barrel. They all talk about getting their hands to the ball.

Turning the barrel is simply sending the barrel into its swing arc ..... which by the way, is something Ted Williams spoke about.

Probably obvious to you .... but hitters don't take their hands to the ball, they take the barrel to the ball.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

They are busy talking about keeping their front hip lower....well not actually keeping it lower, but thinking about it. Or turning their belly button, well not actually turning their belly button, but resisting turning their belly button...resisting the belly button and turning the hips, cause the what turns the hips while the core muscles are resisting? All of which can be proven, well actually no, proving in video is a crutch.

Unfortunately, what you just wrote, pretty much summed things up.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

And so while it is OK for some posters to talk about the belly button (noontime) its not ok for others (TDS) for some reason.

Can fiveframeswing post a swing where the hitter does #3 in the noontime demo?

Can redhotcoach or fiveframeswing post a clip of a ML hitter or a D1 softball player talking about turning the barrel?

If so, then I will stand corrected.

We are speaking of cues - but it seems that some cues are accepted and some are not based on their belief system.

Butter .... I've posted for years on the topic of forward-by-coil ... and included video.

Have also posted info of Williams speaking of having a greater arc than other hitters ..... which is basically what turning the barrel is.

To the best of my knowledge both Noontime and TDS understand that the belly-button (lower torso) are resisting being turned to the pitcher at the time the belly-button (lower torso) is turned towards the pitcher ahead of the upper torso.

When people speak of a cue, that doesn't really happen, it helps that they supply video of a clip highlighting the portion of the swing they are speaking of and mentioning that the action that they are recommending doesn't actually happen. Otherwise you send folks on a wild goose chase .... and I don't believe that is your intent.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

More deleted posts .....

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Rayr:

FFS - this is all about the spine engine. It is not meant to be anything else.

Stabilizing C7 is about creating as tight of an axis point so that the spine can swing the arms/bat around.

Learning how use the QL muscles creates the "momentum" on the front side to be released into the rear side and using the QL on the rear drops everything into the slot until the spine facets connect. I guess that would be what some call creating a corner.

All I know is that it happens to too fast to be worried about anything other then seeing the ball.

Does every player just get it? Noooooooo. My converted slapper picked it up the quickest last night - latched onto it - said it felt like she was in control. Surprised everyone with pretty darn good hitting session. My pitchers figured out that they use the same muscle when throwing (IMO they don't quite but I let them believe now that they know what muscle they are shooting for).

You can see the difference - its night and day how fast the barrel comes through compared to their old swing....then they press and they screw up it by not releasing the front side on time or not using the rear side....

Watch the barrel's speed - watch the rear hip as it will stay level - watch the rear foot as it will just walk off and the hitter will look balanced.

They all agreed that they don't have time to worry about where their hands or arms are. They don't feel they are turning the barrel (we did a lot of this last year right through the fall) they feel the barrel just whipping through when they get it right. And more importantly they know when the swing feels like a dud.

You will know you are using this muscle if your glutes are sore.

Don't discount the hitter not being that good at using the QL on both sides of the body. It's a learned move and you need to do both equally well to get this right.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

SB:

The rear side QL is to get the core to INCREASE the pressure in the rear foot. Which has been discussed and talked about at lengths.

The A$$/BB stuff is quiet frankly to eliminate counter rotation of the shoulders.

The A$$/BB is THE Move. Period.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Rayr:

I am saying the front hip and front shoulder get drawn together...I never said anything about the front leg. The front heel would get detached from the ground.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Rayr:

When you coil if you take the front elbow to rear hip you are not engaging the BB part - its mostly coil or all back all forward move

When you think rear elbow to front hip - you got the BB/A$$ both engaged equally and opposite. So when you release this you get equal and opposite movements.