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[rdbass]

Probably right. Do you think the "unloading" of the hands instead of the "loading" of the hands at GO, have an impact on a centripetal/centripetal vs. centripetal/centrifugal hand-path?

I do. I think the unloading of the hands at GO, causes the rear arm/elbow to seek support and post up against the body, which creates a stall in the hands. So the hands unload on the ball, with no directional release, thus following the body around, which creates what you are seeing in the right arm's finish.

btw, her rear shoulder looks to be in charge of delivering her hands here. Just saying... To me, the hands should be in charge and the shoulders and other anatomical body parts should be in support of. IOW's her hands are only performing one of the 2 primary functions. Turning the barrel and getting to the proper location on time.

Bold above not sure I'm understanding? Not disagree just not sure I understand what you (Howe) mean. For some reason I'm picturing 'seperation' but after reading second post I'm not sure.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Hammy is "loading" the barrel around the corner. He is also getting the handle to the proper release location. No posting up, no stall. A centripetal to centrifugal (rotational/linear) hand-path.

Point of clarification regarding "posting up".

Ted spoke of a "hard push". His description of "where in the swing" that he described a "hard push" is exactly where you refer to the hands/wrists going into contact. To add to this, Ted was not talking of a "hard push" to capture transition of the barrel, .... a location in the swing where he considered a "push" to be an inferior action.

During what Ted referred to as a "hard push", there is a front-side resistance that the hands/wrists are 'pushed' through ... ... ... and some describe that resistance as a posting up of the front leg.

 

[rdbass]

When I looked at this gif:

I got the 'feeling' of a 'push' at/into extension.

 

[redhotcoach]

Probably right. Do you think the "unloading" of the hands instead of the "loading" of the hands at GO, have an impact on a centripetal/centripetal vs. centripetal/centrifugal hand-path?
Yes agree




I do. I think the unloading of the hands at GO, causes the rear arm/elbow to seek support and post up against the body, which creates a stall in the hands. So the hands unload on the ball, with no directional release, thus following the body around, which creates what you are seeing in the right arm's finish.

btw, her rear shoulder looks to be in charge of delivering her hands here. Just saying... To me, the hands should be in charge and the shoulders and other anatomical body parts should be in support of. IOW's her hands are only performing one of the 2 primary functions. Turning the barrel and getting to the proper location on time.

Shoulder delivering hands is a thought…it is not just something you say and let it go. I do not think it looks like her shoulder is delivering her hands…her hands are not being delivered at all because her elbow is stuck to her side too long. WHICH is all she or her dad need to know….not centripetal to centrifugal blah blah.

This is what shoulder delivering the hands looks like to me:

You almost helped someone without trying to start another argument!!! Good job!

Good day

 

[Howe]

Bold above not sure I'm understanding? Not disagree just not sure I understand what you (Howe) mean. For some reason I'm picturing 'seperation' but after reading second post I'm not sure.

IMO, there has been an overemphasis on over actively turning the hands @ GO. IMO, this has marginalized the other absolute of the hands, which is to seek direction for the handle. So you end up with ALL unload of the barrel, due to the 1 sided equation.

When you put competing priorities on the hands (turning the barrel with the top hand, while also trying to hit the inside seam of the ball), good things will happen.

 

[Howe]

Shoulder delivering hands is a thought…it is not just something you say and let it go. I do not think it looks like her shoulder is delivering her hands…her hands are not being delivered at all because her elbow is stuck to her side too long. WHICH is all she or her dad need to know….not centripetal to centrifugal blah blah.

This is what shoulder delivering the hands looks like to me:

You almost helped someone without trying to start another argument!!! Good job!

Good day

What did you just say?

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Shoulder delivering hands is a thought…it is not just something you say and let it go. I do not think it looks like her shoulder is delivering her hands…her hands are not being delivered at all because her elbow is stuck to her side too long. WHICH is all she or her dad need to know….not centripetal to centrifugal blah blah.

What is the fix then?

What Howe is suggesting is that the mental image of the swing needs to be redefined for this hitter ... that a feel of the hands/wrists loading at swing initiation needs to be learned ... as does a directional release into contact.

Many of us come across hitters like this. What fix do you recommend?

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

When I looked at this gif:

I got the 'feeling' of a 'push' at/into extension.

That would be "where in the swing" that Ted Williams described a "hard push".

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

….not centripetal to centrifugal blah blah.

RHC ... the concept of centripetal to centrifugal is quite important IMO. The thread on the topic at BBD is classic IMO.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

This is what shoulder delivering the hands looks like to me:

I don't agree with this.

I do agree that the shoulder supports the objective ... but it does so in a manner in which an active connection was being made to the hands. A focus on the shoulder, with the hands hoping to deliver the barrel, won't work in the batter's box.