Gee, you critique all the time, but can't be critiqued? The curve ball you are throwing is not ideal form. Get over it.
Curve Ball... Palm Up or Palm Down?
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Gee, you critique all the time, but can't be critiqued? The curve ball you are throwing is not ideal form. Get over it.
It's not splitting hairs. He used the comparison and it is not relevant. Also Mr. Physics man, if you have three variables there won't be only one spot where the conditions are optimal. A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous.
JJsqueeze
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I'll bite...go ahead and post the equations, initial conditions etc of the pitch along with whatever conclusion you are trying to draw and I'll take a look. I'm not even sure what you mean by "if you have three variables there won't be only one spot where the conditions are optimal". Are you saying that with infinite boundaries on spin/velocity/wind (and time) then there are multiple spots where the break would be optimal? That I could agree with, but I would have to see the equations you are referring to because it would depend on the order of the equation(s) how many "optimal" spots there are. if you are limiting it to the real world then this is probably not the case. or do you just want to appear to know more than anyone else? I've never studied any models of a pitch like this but since you clearly have please share them...
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If you want the ball to actually move instead of what most PC pawn off as movement BM AKA Bat mans form looks pretty Dead on to me.
What I am saying or should I say asking, is if there are three variables what would be the "optimal" spot, would it be 59mph with a 6mph wind and a 25 revolutions per second? Or 63 mph with a 5mph wind and 22 revolutions? Would more revolutions make up for less speed? So with the give and take here how can we say there is one optimal spot?
I don't know more than everyone else but I also know when people come up with stuff that has a bit of truth and they run with it to some general conclusion. Forget the equations and plug in common mathematical sense and you will see where I am coming from.
JJsqueeze
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I hear you and we probably are pretty close to the same thinking. What I am thinking is this. For normal conditions, the pitch spin, speed and wind is pretty constant. Meaning that pitches range from 40-75 mph, the distance ranges from 35-38 feet (effectively after the leap or step), the spin varies from say 10-35 rps and wind is say 10MPH from any single direction. The point is that the variables are pretty tightly bound. For these tightly bound conditions, chances are there really is probably one optimal spin/speed combination for any given pitch. You are 100% correct that in theory there could be multiple optimal points but my hunch is that these fall in "non-real world conditions" so to say that for a three variable system that there are multiple "optimal" values of the variables is possibly technically correct while completely off base when it comes to actual pitching. It really appeared that you were just trying to one up me.
The only point I was trying to make was that when BM talked about terminal velocity, he was not referring to it in a classical sense that if you drop a rock off the Empire state building then at some point velocity will remain constant as the force from the Earth's gravity would become equal to the wind resistance thus causing the velocity to not increase, it was in reference to the idea that the spin/velocity/wind hits an optimal point where the pitch will break it's best. It is just conceptual, and it makes sense, so to then try to attack the concept by saying that the description is false is just non-productive. You are clearly bright, so you can probably accept that for any given pitch on any given day there really is probably a sweet spot where spin and speed break the best.
I am not trying to one up anyone. I just know that if the pitchers speed (or any one of many pitchers) is varying from 50- 70 mph (change of pace included) that there are many spots where the conditions are optimal. When I would pitch and there was a good breeze blowing in my face, my drop ball was fantastic. When I threw a little harder on occasions without the wind it could sometimes be just as good. When I was able to spin it a little better at times, same thing. I know from experience and logic that what BM said was basically incorrect.
JJsqueeze
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Roger that....one question....on a given night did you find multiple sweet spots for the same pitch?
That's a tough question because every time you throw things are a little bit different. Some days you throw harder than others, some days your ball is moving more than others and sometimes the weather affects the pitches. Sometimes during a game a pitch will come around early in the game or later in the game and may come and go. So I guess the answer is yes but it depends on many things and the feel you have for the pitch that particular game or inning.
JJsqueeze
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fair enough....but we need to add the most important variable to our model....the pitcher.
