Critique / Help Series of Swings

[pstein]

Poor attempt! The barrel stays behind the hands, as I have always said. That relationship does not change. The bat head moves with rotation, the shoulder turns, the hands turn, the bat turns. That is connected swinging. At no time does the loaded wrist angle change, the bat follows the shoulder. This is exactly why you don't release the bat head early. This is correct.

You can't turn your shoulders quickly enough to hit an outside pitch. Believe me, I've tried the whole "bat head moves with rotation" type of swing. The bat head appears to be moved by rotation. The hands are active from the outset.

I cannot stress enough the value of the hands in hitting an outside pitch. Yes, you can just hold on to the bat and rotate. You'll hit the outside pitch decently off of a tee. It's not going to happen in a game.

 

[fballchgup]

bautista takes info:

What Made Jose Bautista

good stuff here.
lot of good stuff at tewks' site too about keeping bat back and getting the swing a running start.

 

[rdbass]

Crankermo's dd gif was indoors and she was wearing black. Different angle too. Sideview. Smooth, powerful, viscous bat speed. Maybe a year ago or more.

 

[rdbass]

I only have a Cabera take....I thought RDB had some check swings.

 

[00fpdaddy]

Thats not it, last time I saw it, it was at Hi a while ago. They were comparing clips of a dd who pushes, and then TM showed a clip of Brooke. The end analysis was " a popgun comparing to a cannon" because of the mechaniques.

 

[00fpdaddy]

No, sent you a pm.....

 

[Steve Huff]

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What is this, I have a bigger collection of checked swings than you do? What in the world does this or any others show. Well some like the last batter has a bat tip, as did some previous .gifs, and your first posted .gif of the Angels hitter prove MY point, not yours. If the barrel is pulled behind the hands to connection at the hip, the bat head, the bat tip, will not be as likely to come around through the zone as someone who commits the bat head early in a check-wing situation. Furthermore, what does getting fooled on a pitch an getting the bat head out have to do with anything? Anything? I have check-swung at rise-balls over my head and spun myself into the dirt. What does that mean? That is what I said, that is my claim. By the way, Crankermo's DD has a nice looking swing, just like knightsb's daughter.

The only check-swing gifs that prove anything are like your first and last, showing the bat head relatively quiet behind the hands, and someone who launches the swing early. This is futile. The last batter starts his rotation, stops, and relaxes as the slider passes out of the zone. ?

One last thing to hopefully clear up some confusion by some casual observers. Rotational hitting is defined basically by the rear hip driving the hands and bat to the ball. IF WHEN a batter starts that rotation, the bat follows from varying positions, more wrap, like knightsb's daughter, or Albert Pujols, less wrap like Jessica Mendoza, or Crystl Bustos. Low pitches, outside pitches change the swing path of any hitter. Mistake swings, such as launching the bat head out behind the ball instead of hitting the inside edge of the ball, will change the swing path, incorrectly! You can not compare a swing high inside, to a swing low outside. The bat head is released at different times.

And by the way, how can it take longer to swing at an outside pitch, when the back hip rotates at most 50% as much as on an inside pitch, and the bat head is released further back in the swing arc? That question is for pstein. Your shoulders turn less than 45 degrees to hit an outside pitch.

The mistake I see is the perception that the tip of the bat signified the type of swing. That is not the case. knightsb's daughter's swing is in a bat wrapped position, exaggerated by shoulder turn, or coil. It isn't a problem because she still has a a lot of bat speed. Her bat TIP must travel further. That makes a longer bat tip arc, but it doesn't change her swing speed much because she rotates her shoulders OUT OF that coil, and then brings her hands behind the bat knob.

By DEFINITION, the Epstein, O'Leary, Howard, me, etc camp, and all linear hitting coaches like Candrea and Enquist would define early bat release as follows:

If during rotation, the bat barrel stays connected to the shoulder when the back elbow is at the hip, then MORE or less, if the bat barrel is directly behind the hands, bat knob pointed at the pitcher and the bat barrel is pointed directly away back toward the catcher, if the wrists are unbroken into the swing, or this position is only slightly broken, by say 10 degrees or less, then we do not consider it the early bat head release or launch. The back elbow has brought the hands down above the back elbow, (stacked at hip connection). At that point, the wrists are relatively unbroken. The bat barrel is close to the shoulder, not flying away from the shoulder, not previously flying back toward the catcher. That is ROTATIONAL hitting we teach. It is not the Tewks, Teacherman, MTS hitting method.

Footnote: That swing changes with outside and or low pitches anywhere in the zone. It changes when a batter is fooled. In one gif, it appears Larsen of Alabama is reaching out to hit an outside pitch and pulling it to left center. She was fooled on the pitch, and still hit it solid even though she didn't let it get deep. That early launch of her barrel creates an entirely different relationship with her back shoulder and the barrel.

My apologies to redbass. I got posters mixed up again. No argument with redbass. He is just contributing gifs and not making a point.

 

[rdbass]

Originally Posted by redhotcoach


I only have a Cabera take....I thought RDB had some check swings.
Steve,
Only posted requested gifs. I do not want to get involved in your debate.

 

[redhotcoach]

What is this, I have a bigger collection of checked swings than you do? What in the world does this or any others show. Well some like the last batter has a bat tip, as did some previous .gifs, and your first posted .gif of the Angels hitter prove MY point, not yours. If the barrel is pulled behind the hands to connection at the hip, the bat head, the bat tip, will not be as likely to come around through the zone as someone who commits the bat head early in a check-wing situation. Furthermore, what does getting fooled on a pitch an getting the bat head out have to do with anything? Anything? I have check-swung at rise-balls over my head and spun myself into the dirt. What does that mean? That is what I said, that is my claim. By the way, Crankermo's DD has a nice looking swing, just like knightsb's daughter.

The only check-swing gifs that prove anything are like your first and last, showing the bat head relatively quiet behind the hands, and someone who launches the swing early. This is futile. The last batter starts his rotation, stops, and relaxes as the slider passes out of the zone. ?

GM asked about check swings...these are check swings....it's not all about you.

 

[Steve Huff]

Originally Posted by redhotcoach


I only have a Cabera take....I thought RDB had some check swings.
Steve,
Only posted requested gifs. I do not want to get involved in your debate.

No problem. I appreciate your gifs. I got you and redhotcoach mixed again. I apologize for that, to you and him.