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Why are you trying to apply rules regarding fly balls to a tipped pitch by a batter? Any ball that is tipped by the batter and is not sharply and directly to the catchers hand or glove and is caught by the catcher is an out.

From an older USA rule supplement, and no the rules have not changed.

Notice it specifically says "or if the catcher moves their glove/mitt to catch the ball after contact with the bat.".


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22. FOUL BALL / FOUL TIP


The reference of the “height of the batter’s head” as it relates to a Foul Ball and Foul Tip no longer applies. This change, instituted in 2006, allows more opportunity for the catcher to obtain “outs” by catching foul batted balls the same as the first and third base person who is playing closer to home plate. Umpires only need to judge whether the ball moves from the bat “sharply” and “directly” versus a ball that has a perceptible arc and / or if the catcher moves their glove / mitt to catch the ball after contact with the bat. The definition of a foul ball has not changed. However, a foul tip is now defined as a batted ball that goes sharply and directly from the bat to the
catcher’s glove / mitt or hand and is legally caught by the catcher. It is not a foul tip unless caught and any foul tip that is caught is a strike, and the ball remains live in Fast Pitch and Slow Pitch with stealing. It is not a catch
if the ball rebounds off the catcher, unless the ball has first touched the catcher’s glove / mitt or hand. Again, a foul tip can only be caught by the catcher. Examples of foul ball and foul tip follow:

A. A foul ball with “perceptible” arc goes toward the catcher’s left and the catcher moves their glove / mitt to catch the ball. In this situation, the batter is out and the ball remains live just as it would when

B. The foul ball rebounds from the bat with a “perceptible arc” shoulder high and the catcher moves upward with the glove / mitt to make the catch. In this situation, the batter is out and the ball remains live just as it would when any other fielder catches a foul fly ball.
 
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Why are you trying to apply rules regarding fly balls to a tipped pitch by a batter? Any ball that is tipped by the batter and is not sharply and directly to the catchers hand or glove and is caught by the catcher is an out.

From an older USA rule supplement, and no the rules have not changed.

Notice it specifically says "or if the catcher moves their glove/mitt to catch the ball after contact with the bat.".


RULES SUPPLEMENT

22. FOUL BALL / FOUL TIP


The reference of the “height of the batter’s head” as it relates to a Foul Ball and Foul Tip no longer applies. This change, instituted in 2006, allows more opportunity for the catcher to obtain “outs” by catching foul batted balls the same as the first and third base person who is playing closer to home plate. Umpires only need to judge whether the ball moves from the bat “sharply” and “directly” versus a ball that has a perceptible arc and / or if the catcher moves their glove / mitt to catch the ball after contact with the bat. The definition of a foul ball has not changed. However, a foul tip is now defined as a batted ball that goes sharply and directly from the bat to the
catcher’s glove / mitt or hand and is legally caught by the catcher. It is not a foul tip unless caught and any foul tip that is caught is a strike, and the ball remains live in Fast Pitch and Slow Pitch with stealing. It is not a catch
if the ball rebounds off the catcher, unless the ball has first touched the catcher’s glove / mitt or hand. Again, a foul tip can only be caught by the catcher. Examples of foul ball and foul tip follow:

A. A foul ball with “perceptible” arc goes toward the catcher’s left and the catcher moves their glove / mitt to catch the ball. In this situation, the batter is out and the ball remains live just as it would when

B. The foul ball rebounds from the bat with a “perceptible arc” shoulder high and the catcher moves upward with the glove / mitt to make the catch. In this situation, the batter is out and the ball remains live just as it would when any other fielder catches a foul fly ball.

A perceptible arc is the key piece (as I said in my first post). An arc has an up and down trajectory (it's a parabola!). An arc is not a change in direction. The analogy to fly balls and line drives is slightly flawed (as we know a caught line drive is still an out but a foul tip is not), but it shows the movement of the ball needed to be considered for an out (versus a foul tip), albeit in the other direction. You can also apply this same standard of perceptible arc to infield fly situations.
 
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A perceptible arc is the key piece (as I said in my first post). An arc has an up and down trajectory (it's a parabola!). An arc is not a change in direction. The analogy to fly balls and line drives is slightly flawed (as we know a caught line drive is still an out but a foul tip is not), but it shows the movement of the ball needed to be considered for an out (versus a foul tip), albeit in the other direction. You can also apply this same standard of perceptible arc to infield fly situations.
Any change of direction of the ball after contact with the bat that is not sharply and directly to the catchers hand or glove and causes the catcher to move their glove to catch it is an out. That is specified in the statement of the rule supplement I provided. The examples mention perceptible arc but it is an example, not the wording of the rule.

For that matter, NFHS, USSSA and NSA do not mention anything about arc or perceptible.
 
Jun 18, 2023
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Any change of direction of the ball after contact with the bat that is not sharply and directly to the catchers hand or glove and causes the catcher to move their glove to catch it is an out. That is specified in the statement of the rule supplement I provided. The examples mention perceptible arc but it is an example, not the wording of the rule.

For that matter, NFHS, USSSA and NSA do not mention anything about arc or perceptible.

Seems like the supplement is saying the opposite to me. it's not that when the catcher moves the glove it can be an out, balls with an arc that still hit the spot (i.e. one with a lot of spin that might appear to curl/arc over the bat when tipped) are not outs, they're just foul tips.
 
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If the catcher is expecting and sets up for a drop, but the pitcher throws a shoulder-high rise, the batter swings hitting the ball so that it continues along “the same” trajectory as the pitch, the catcher reacts by moving her glove from near the dirt to above her head and manages to catch the ball, is this an out (ball was not directly to her glove) or foul tip (ball went sharply back along the path of the pitch)?
 

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