Getting "turn the barrel" to stick

[Howe]

Initiating the downswing with the hips is of such critical importance that many top-rung golfers, sensing that their timing will be better accommodated, start to turn their hips to the left a fraction of a second before the club reaches the top of the back-swing. There's nothing wrong with this. It amounts to a permissible personal modification and it underlines, if anything, the salient fact that under no condition should the downswing be inaugurated by the hands.

Ben Hogan's Five Lessons - The modern Fundamentals of Golf.
1957

 

[moe]

I am seeing a lot of good here from these screen shots...vids are in my "progress of a swing" thread. Feedback please if possible. I am seeing her turn the barrel, load is non existant on one, small on the other. swing path is good. hands good. elbow slotted good. thoughts?

 

[mann]

Ben Hogan's Five Lessons - The modern Fundamentals of Golf.
1957

Initiating the downswing with the hips is of such critical importance that many top-rung golfers, sensing that their timing will be better accommodated, start to turn their hips to the left a fraction of a second before the club reaches the top of the back-swing. There's nothing wrong with this. It amounts to a permissible personal modification and it underlines, if anything, the salient fact that under no condition should the downswing be inaugurated by the hands. Ben Hogan's Five Lessons - The modern Fundamentals of Golf.
1957

this is exactly what I was trying to get across.

a pre loaded scap is not wrong, like pre coil is not wrong, but for an ideal sequence, having that area tighten, say, at the hip turn, or right at the top of the sequence, would be "better"

I do notice that Hogan does not say ideal, just "permissible" .
what is 'ideal' for golf?

 

[moe]

@mann - Let me recap then and how I see it...
1. Nice relaxed "V" with arms and elbows
2. Pitcher begins
3. Batter begins the "pull" with back arm (for lack of better word)
4. hips begin moving forward
5. back arm reaches "scap load"
6. front arm intitiates swing similar to golf by pulling.
7. stretch begins
8. back elbow slots and crosses belly button as barrel turns
9. finish off high

Close?

 

[Mr T]

I am a Justin Stone fan, but scap loading pre dates him by years.

I'd be curious who were some of the earlier persons to identify. Can you find an earlier example or two?

 

[Playaction]

Why finish high? Just to clear the body better?

 

[moe]

For us, this particular DD/Twin #1 would swing and wrap her body bruising her upper arm..does seem to clear the body better for her and a more fluid follow through...