Criticism of minor children is not allowed

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They are public figures, not little snowflakes playing HS/TB ball.

I am not a lawyer but I think that your statement is not factually correct. Not all (any?) student athletes are public figures (by definition).

Their professional or amateur status is a moot point.
No that is my point. They are amateurs that are seeing a degree while participating in athletics. They do not receive payment and cannot enter into contracts, etc..

To say that college athletes warrant the same criticisms as professional athletes is odd to me. It has nothing to do with being soft. It doesn't meant they aren't held to standards (or even higher standards than regular students). I just don't need to hear it from the media and fans. They aren't in some bubble where they can NEVER be criticized; if they do something illegal would be one example.

From going to games, listening to sports radio, and reading social media I realize people have different sensibilities on this.
 
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I am sure this point would never be raised with respect to the men playing college Football or Baseball. I would keep in mind that they are not minor children, they are adults. Nothing more, nothing less. They are public figures, not little snowflakes playing HS/TB ball. Their professional or amateur status is a moot point.

I was thinking same thing about men’s sports. While I don’t care for it when DD or her teammates get ripped after they go out and suck, I LOVE that softball is starting to be treated as a real sport and the girls like real athletes.
 
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I am not a lawyer but I think that your statement is not factually correct. Not all (any?) student athletes are public figures (by definition).

No that is my point. They are amateurs that are seeing a degree while participating in athletics. They do not receive payment and cannot enter into contracts, etc..

To say that college athletes warrant the same criticisms as professional athletes is odd to me. It has nothing to do with being soft. It doesn't meant they aren't held to standards (or even higher standards than regular students). I just don't need to hear it from the media and fans. They aren't in some bubble where they can NEVER be criticized; if they do something illegal would be one example.

From going to games, listening to sports radio, and reading social media I realize people have different sensibilities on this.

When you are on ESPN, Longhorn, B1G, etc. or other media, have hundreds of little girls and others following you on social media, the coaches regularly review your social media accounts, you sign autographs after the game, and the school coaches you on how to deal with the media, how are you not a public figure?

If the college mens Football, Baseball, and Basketball can handle the heat so can the women.
 
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how are you not a public figure?

If the college mens Football, Baseball, and Basketball can handle the heat so can the women.

You are not a public figure by definition. Not *your* definition of a public figure. The legal definition. I believe the term is "limited public figure". You may quibble with the distinction but there is a distinction with reason.

I was specifically thinking about men's football and basketball. It's not about handling the heat, it's not clear to me why the heat has to be there in the first place. I know why ($$$) ESPN, deadspin, and others generate such criticisms but the ends do not justify the means in my humble opinion.

If you think Tiger Woods, Kelly Barnhill, and Grayson Allen are equal levels with regards to being "public figures" and are subjugated to the same level of criticisms that's fine. I personally do not for the stated reasons.
 
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What kind of criticism are we talking about here as I did not get to see the original thread? I mean if the criticism was constructive them I am sure they are getting the same
stuff from their coaches,etc. If the criticism is demeaning, and not related to their play at all, then IMO that should be off limits for amateur athletes by
entities that are supposed about sports. My HS basketball coach use to call us dumbas*** and throw
basketballs at us while my HS baseball coach would yell at me for not charging a groundball....which one of those are we talking about here?
 
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You are not a public figure by definition. Not *your* definition of a public figure. The legal definition. I believe the term is "limited public figure". You may quibble with the distinction but there is a distinction with reason.

I was specifically thinking about men's football and basketball. It's not about handling the heat, it's not clear to me why the heat has to be there in the first place. I know why ($$$) ESPN, deadspin, and others generate such criticisms but the ends do not justify the means in my humble opinion.

If you think Tiger Woods, Kelly Barnhill, and Grayson Allen are equal levels with regards to being "public figures" and are subjugated to the same level of criticisms that's fine. I personally do not for the stated reasons.

While I hear what you are saying, IMHO this what has brought us to the era of participation trophies and safe spaces. There certainly seems to be a double standard with the treatment of male athletes vs female athletes. That should not be the case.
 
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I don't have a problem with there being safe spaces. Therapy is a safe space. The softball field, not really. If you'd seen what a catcher did to mine sliding into home this weekend (not on purpose I'm fairly sure), you'd know. No safe space there.
 

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The backstory:

Someone (not their parents) posted a YouTube video of a couple of HS age pitchers. He then complained that they were pitching illegally.

I understand the issue. But, we don't allow people to post videos of someone else's underage children.
 

sluggers

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The backstory:

Someone (not their parents) posted a YouTube video of a couple of HS age pitchers. He then complained that they were pitching illegally.

I understand the issue. But, we don't allow people to post videos of someone else's underage children.
 
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