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This wouldn't be very effective against a screwball.. or rising curve if a right handed hitter. Any ball that doesn't drop, strike out city! Impossible to match the plane of the ball in Fastpitch with this type of swing. People talk about how chopping down on the ball is ineffective, because the barrel is in the hitting zone for a very short period of time (which I agree with).. I see this swing as equally ineffective against most pitchers in Fastpitch who can throw heat with back or sideways spin. Timing would have to be perfect... it wouldn't be matching the plane of the ball.
3:07-3:08 of this video shows why this swing doesn't work in fastpitch softball for any pitches that doesn't drop or have a downward plane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Cm5MpjYWc
Strike out city
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Not sure what part of the gif you don't like but if it is the lead arm action than imo it is just an exaggeration for feel purposes. If you have an issue with the shoulder tilt, well that is going to vary depending on pitch location..again what was showed was just a guy trying to get a feel for the actions he wants.
In the video you linked to the kid was late as heck..
Wouldn't make a difference what kind of swing he had he wasn't going to hit it being that late..
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Come on pattar, I know he was late. But he's swinging up on a pitch that's rising, which is no different than swinging down on a ball that's dropping. He was late, but with this type of swing his timing would have to be perfect, he would have to intersect that pitch at one point, that's not getting behind and through the ball.
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Agree having the shoulder tilt he did for that pitch location is bad but may be a product of him not being on time and hence not able to adjust? Or maybe he just isn't a good hitter? What do you think the guy in post 404 would look like on a lower pitch? You think his shoulder tilt would be the same? How about Alex Hugo (the girl I posted)? For a higher pitch what would her tilt look like? Point is, you are saying that the dry "swing" posted in the Reds player wouldn't work in fastpitch and I am saying that a good hitter (including the Reds hitter) is going to adjust their plane for pitch location and what that guy is demonstrating is him just getting a feel for his back shoulder working under and his lead arm working up..the degree would vary for pitch location.
You seem like a good guy but it seems like you keep coming into these threads and sniping at the turn the barrel at go/early advocates. That is fine but without actually giving
a differing opinion to what you think should be done it just feels like sour grapes on your part because you had some issues with your DD with that mentality. I personally think that turning the barrel as early as possible needs to be done..I also think that along with that mentality, one needs to throw as much live arm to a hitter as possible with varying pitch locations and speeds so that a hitter can learn to adjust their swing to barrel up pitches at different locations. Tee work for this purpose, imo, is fairly useless.
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That swing is a byproduct of seeing pitches on a downward plane his entire career. He's applying a shoulder tilt that works in baseball.. it's not effective in fastpitch, with exception to maybe a change up/drop ball where the bottom drops out or at lower levels where the pitcher throws much slower and the ball drops. That shoulder tilt would be great for slo-pitch, we need to be careful when posting vids/gifs like this because it can be misleading. That's the point, and I showed a live swing (not just dry) where the baseball approach does not work in fastpitch.
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So all GOOD baseball swings have the same shoulder tilt regardless of pitch location?? Come on..Also you didn't answer my questions regarding Indians player and Hugo...
This is a good baseball swing.. pitch same location
But still the swing has a upward path because the ball still has a downward plane. Would this swing been more applicable in the video I posted, yes.. But still it would not of been the best angle. Why? Because even at this height in baseball it's still traveling downwards. 99.9% of the pitches in baseball are traveling downhill. It's not the same case for Fastpitch.. In regard to Hugo, great athlete and a fastpitch player. I'd imagine her shoulder tilt/swing plane would adapt to the pitch.. do you have any vids of her hitting a ball on an upward/or level plane in the upper strike zone? You showed me a pic of her with a low pitch.. of course her shoulder tilt is steep, she has to go get it. I seriously doubt she's swinging up through a ball that rising at her waist with any success.
