Ferris wheel or merry go round?

So what part do you disagree with?

Buttermaker said:

So what part do you disagree with?

Click to expand...

As I mentioned, both pelvic tilt and lateral tilt were primary discussions on SE's site. Also, SE broke down the rotations anatomically. One phase, the hips were covered. He also provided photos of his efforts in that regard. These photos had either 3 or 5 stills in a sequence. Do you have them? If so, they are marked per the discussion and the same with the "tilted tornado" thread which was pretty good. If so, you can see how I gleaned one thing from one person and can align it with what you have learned from another. One thing that is certain, for what I taught, I have never and will never go to RS's site. I'll try to have some class and leave it at that.

Private message headed your way.

Buttermaker said:

More nonsense. The rear lower back is the axis of rotation how so? And again you are promoting waist separation.

The tilt of the hip creates the side bend.

The more you resist rotation of the torso the more you will laterally bend.

Click to expand...

In language that you can relate to .... the arch of the lower back is accomplished by the augering of the rear leg in the hip joint as the upper body resists it. That is basically how someone like you would attempt to go about creating the separation that occurs.

FFS,
You posted a few clips awhile back. One of a guy doing a lateral side bend, and another of a girl using a cable and performing a rotation. The combination of them is not what I consider lateral tilt

https://www.discussfastpitch.com/softball-hitting-technical/32242-help-swing-2.html

FiveFrameSwing said:

In language that you can relate to .... the arch of the lower back is accomplished by the augering of the rear leg in the hip joint as the upper body resists it. That is basically how someone like you would attempt to go about creating the separation that occurs.

Click to expand...

Your descriptions don't make me think you understand what Spartans and I are talking about.

Spartans21 said:

FFS,
You posted a few clips awhile back. One of a guy doing a lateral side bend, and another of a girl using a cable and performing a rotation. The combination of them is not what I consider lateral tilt

https://www.discussfastpitch.com/softball-hitting-technical/32242-help-swing-2.html

Click to expand...

A third important movement in the core is the arching.

Young hitters that simply rotate their core, and are uncomfortable with their core becoming 'twisted' (combination of turned, lateral tilt/lateral-side-bend, arched), need to become comfortable with core usage.

Buttermaker said:

Your descriptions don't make me think you understand what Spartans and I are talking about.

Click to expand...

Perhaps if TM used the words below then it would make more sense to you.

The arch of the lower back (of the bow/arch/bow) is not done by the chest. It is done by the augering of the rear leg in the hip joint as the upper body resists it. That is how and where the separation occurs.

FiveFrameSwing said:

Perhaps if TM used the words below then it would make more sense to you.

The arch of the lower back (of the bow/arch/bow) is not done by the chest. It is done by the augering of the rear leg in the hip joint as the upper body resists it. That is how and where the separation occurs.

Click to expand...

I understand completely. I'm not the one talking about lateral bend and the axis of the swing being the rear lower back.

Buttermaker said:

I understand completely. I'm not the one talking about lateral bend and the axis of the swing being the rear lower back.

Click to expand...

To be clear, the initial axis of rotation is the rear lower back. The axis of rotation flows forward ... and yes, around the rear forearm and released around the hands.

What I don't hear in your description of forearm rotation is the importance of the lead side pulling during that time. That is a significant part of the swing, that ultimately plays a big role in not widening the axis too quickly and determining the direction of the release/throw/swing.

The lateral-bend/lateral-tilt is there ... readily evident to those who see it. Also an important portion of the swing.

FiveFrameSwing said:

To be clear, the initial axis of rotation is the rear lower back. The axis of rotation flows forward ... and yes, around the rear forearm and released around the hands.

What I don't hear in your description of forearm rotation is the importance of the lead side pulling during that time. That is a significant part of the swing, that ultimately plays a big role in not widening the axis too quickly and determining the direction of the release/throw/swing.

The lateral-bend/lateral-tilt is there ... readily evident to those who see it. Also an important portion of the swing.

Click to expand...

You are clearly surmising here. There is nothing in your post that is accurate.