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That would likely force him to engage his core, which he claimed was the second biggest engine in the swing, but believes to be passive.
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That would likely force him to engage his core, which he claimed was the second biggest engine in the swing, but believes to be passive.
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Right, I am not saying he would do that version based upon his teachings, but that would be a better drill to do based upon what Buttermaker described as should be happening. Do you agree with
Buttermaker regarding what should be slotting the elbow? I do not see why you cannot still turn the barrel with the hands/forearms even if the initial slotting is due to the "breaking" of the resistance. Would the initiation of the hands/forearms to turn the barrel turn be too late in that case? I do agree Stone isn't turning the barrel properly in his complete swing.
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FiveFrameSwing
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Justin Stone's demo swing ...
FiveFrameSwing
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From my perspective there are multiple errors and/or emissions in the descriptions given between Stone & Butter here.
Stone speaks of the core being passive ... which it is not.
Butter speaks of the action being all about the forearms ... which it is not ... the involvement of the core is not discussed ... which does lead to a result of the lower half opening with the upper half resisting. Hence Stone's perspective can be understood if one is trying to understand his perspective.
My current view is that Butter is taking the core action for granted and wishes to believe that the proper core action will take place with an objective of turning the barrel ... which does work for some folks, but also fails to work for many developing hitters.
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Gotcha. Thanks.
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I do know that if you set the hands correctly the core is engaged. It's not a two step process.
Great stuff here.
So what I liked about the Stone video is how it shows the lower half going first/keeping the hands back. From the back-and-forth, I don't think anybody disagrees with that idea, just how Stone goes about it. Correct me if I'm wrong there.
One of the big problems I have are girls swinging with just their arms and/or going with an all-back/all-forward approach. So I've used this video primarily to demonstrate that you have to get the lower half/back hip moving first. Is there something better to use than the Stone video? I've shown them GIFs of high-level hitters, but just seeing it doesn't always click. Having someone explain the process helps.
So what I liked about the Stone video is how it shows the lower half going first/keeping the hands back. From the back-and-forth, I don't think anybody disagrees with that idea, just how Stone goes about it. Correct me if I'm wrong there.
One of the big problems I have are girls swinging with just their arms and/or going with an all-back/all-forward approach. So I've used this video primarily to demonstrate that you have to get the lower half/back hip moving first. Is there something better to use than the Stone video? I've shown them GIFs of high-level hitters, but just seeing it doesn't always click. Having someone explain the process helps.
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Justin Stone's demo swing ...
Ouch.............Stone video's should be now be banned from DFP....lol
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Perhaps what he was working on, that being continuously pinching the rear scap, was not such a great idea.
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You think continuously pinching the rear scap is causing the issues here? I think we can all name ten things that are wrong with this swing.......
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