Is the Reverse Hand Drill Good? Maybe not so much!!!

See that Five? RD's post could have been taken the way you perceived it or it could also be perceived the way RD just explained it but.without His words it was left up.to interpretation by the individual.
RD the gif of the drill you.posted are check swings correct? So extension isn't a goal, instead the goal is to feel the hip and leg drive the barrel
I'm not gonna comment on SL clip as it often comes off as a personal attack and this is far from it. I disagree that the 2 swings are similar. I see differences in hip usage, sequence, pivot point, barrel path, direction etc.

I'm not gonna comment on SL clip as it often comes off as a personal attack and this is far from it.

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Also the reason I didn't want to comment on the RHD. I wanted to stick to the question of the 2 drills. I like what the RHD can teach.

Tjintex the "5 minutes ago" comment was poorly set up comedy. He posted that in 2010 and since the lingo changes in the tech section every 5 minutes...

I read that posters material with interest and know his credentials.

I actually do understand some of why it works although I would like to find some bats whose barrels seek the plane a little better.... Ok that's again poorly set up comedy, disregard that.

I gotta tell you, as a bucket dad I try to care why things work but just knowing that they do work is good enough most times.

coach james said:

I love the drill. I use it at every single practice. It reinforces staying connected through rotation, getting fully extended at contact, maintaining a long hitting zone. Etc etc etc....
But it be fair, this is only a drill and should be done as only a part of the routine, and in moderation. Use it to fix a number of issues, like: casting, disconnected rotation, early barrel release, bat wrapping, or wrist rolling.

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I agree with this, it's Part of the Solution, not The Solution.

I like drills but too much of a good thing ceases to be good.

Sure- I'll warn you in advance, this is not cutting edge stuff but it has worked for us...

Can't help with video right now but I believe it is all the old Candreas/Enquist/RVP stuff. I got it from a buddy that has used it successfully for years. There is also an old USA Softball DVD that has a lot of it. They do 12-15 reps each drill. Start with 10-12 and work up, especially for young kids. I know that there is video of each drill online but I'm not sure everyone calls the drills by the same name. First, one handlers top and bottom hand. We use one hand bats, tee ball bats and later in the season when they are swinging almost every day their game size bat. They then do "walk throughs" I often mix in reverse top hand for about five swings. They then usually do "face the fire" for 5-10 swings. (That isn't from Candreas etc., it's from Howard Carrier or "Hitter". I don't know why but it seems that drill is good in small doses.) they then do "free and independent hands" which is also a great drill. They then do "full swings" or normal swings. DD has been working recently on loading "slow and early" and and swinging explosively. She thinks that when she does a lot of tee work she has a tendency to rush her swing. I don't know if it is true but I like it that she is thinking about stuff like that.

Usually after that we do a couple buckets each of front toss.

If you need help finding video I can try to find them.

I gotta tell you, it gets boring for them. They have to understand its a marathon not a sprint and that the best training is probably boring. They have to know that just doing it doesn't work, they have to do it right. Run the music, have fun, have snacks, after you get these down be on the lookout for drills and batting games to play to keep them wanting more. When it starts to feel like the work it is, you gotta make some fun...

tjintx said:

Nice pictures? Any words you want to add? Do you think those 2 swings are the same? Do those 2 swings use the same power source? Do those 2 swings have the same pivot point? Please clarify why you think the RHD leads to the swing on the left.... Thanks

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For one my daughter, who I post for all to see is swinging with one arm. Bustos is using 2 arms. Big difference on power source on what muscles are used. Self proclaimed hitting experts dont know this because they dont work with students.

Casey as an 10th grader in this video had a super pretty swing for her age and plenty of power for her size.


Be leary of posters who are all talk and never post any video of there work. I call them internet hitting coachs They only guess on what is happening.
You have to work with students and swing a bat to work out problems with multiple hitters.
One size does not fit all...


I will be posting more of what I do and how I do it with my daughter in the future. I have no problem showing my work.....
Any one else care to show theirs



SL

For all the critics and non-believers. I made this video 5 years ago, I said it helps you get to extension.

For anyone that is on a softball field watching or coaching, there are girls that slap their back with the bat in their practice swings.
With very little coaching, show them a reverse hand swing and have them perform the swing.
No back slap with one swing.

You ask them, did they straighten out that lead arm...yes. Did it feel different....yes.

One swing you had them feel extension!!! I stand by my video




Straightleg

Some posters may not be aware that this RHD gif is used as a good demo:
Not even close as a good RHD or for that matter a swing:

Compared to this good example:

Extension is caused by what happens in the beginning phases of the load and swing.... That is not what the RHS is used for.

People who argue this, and say I dont know how extension is achieved, do not coach kids and how to teach using the reverse hand swing.



SL