Runner on 3b and batter walks

[flash277]

C check R3... throw to 1B who is next to base... if BR make a move to 2B tag her... if R3 takes off make a play on her.... practice this..

This wouldn't really work, the BR will run and stop at first, as soon as the 1B throws it back to the pitcher, the 2B will take off.

Teams usually just stop the BR at first, then have her steal on next pitch. Almost impossible to have a 1st and 3rd situation with less than two outs, unless your best contact hitter is up next, the BR will make the turn, or steal on the next pitch.

 

[marriard]

I am assuming there is a runner on 3rd base, because otherwise you just throw the ball to the pitcher and then to SS and tag her out.

By second year 14U, this is called "giving us 2 easy outs" because defensively they SHOULD by this stage have the arm strength and skills to make the plays. The easiest way is to get the ball back to the pitcher, have the 2nd base about 2 steps in front of the runner and time a throw/tag and then throw home play. Execute this a couple of times and people stop running the stupid play against you.

If you don't have the arms or skills/experience, then you have two choices and it depends on the scenario

1) Just take the out at 2nd and if we make a play at home, well bonus:

• With ZERO outs in 12U & under and a runner on third, early in the game I normally just take the out on the runner going to second. That runner on third is probably going to score, so I might as well take a free out and a chance on the second out at home than some ground ball RBI and no chance.
• If the other team is WAY better than us I ALWAYS take the free out:
  • This is a huge mistake people make when the other team is 10 runs better than you. Take the out and be one out closer to getting off the field and batting. Now at least they can't do it again. This stops them from simply base running you into the ground.
• We are way better than them. I don't care about 1 run
• The runner at third is slow
• The game just doesn't matter all that much. Especially in pool games where I just don't care all that much about W/L (unless winning avoids the 8am game).

Whatever happens here, if you decide to get the out, YOU MUST GET THE OUT AT SECOND. Then your WORSE result is the bases are now empty and you got a free out. That isn't awful and your turn to bat is closer.

You will be shocked by how many times the runner at third doesn't get a great jump when you take the out at second. They often are surprised you took the out or react late. We got lots of double plays in 10U and 12U this way. Once you start getting a second out, people also stop running it on you.

Also after taking the out - most coaches in 10U/12U are inexperienced so they will stop doing it because the inning ended quicker than normal. They will switch to stealing first pitch - throw her out. The first time you do it; the runner on third will stand there because she is used to other teams letting her steal.

All this helps build the skills to making this a double play most of the time; so unless the game is on the line, our teams take easy outs if they want to serve them up.

2) They can just have second;

• In close games where the runs matter on bracket day; the later in the game, the less risk I am going to take.
• In low scoring games or games I am not sure of my offense or if the other team has a dominant pitcher.
• I have a dominant strike out pitcher or we are deep in their lineup (and their lower order batter can't hit).
  • Who cares if there is a runner on 2nd and 3rd if we can strike the next girl out.

You can run all sorts of fake C or P throws to 2nd. But in general, throw the ball to the pitcher; move the P towards third and make sure that runner stays there. Remember once the runner hits 1B the runner at 3B must either advance or go back to 3rd - they can't hang out. I don't like anything where we have to make more than 1 throw to make a play for an out - if you see an opportunity for an out, throw it ONCE.

I HATE fake throw to second/short throw to a shallow infielder play. Two throws, and more often or not it ends up with an error and the run scores anyway and runner ends up on third. If I have the players to pull this off, I might as well just make it easy and take the outs the easy way. It also takes away practice time, which I have better use for than stopping something that you can just stop skills wise at some point.

 

[The Man In Blue]

What’s the question for the umps?

 

[Primetime17]

What’s the question for the umps?

So involves this scenario. Runner on 3b. Girl walks. Then this is a play I have in my head so here goes

ball 4. Batter runs to first. Third baseman and secondbaseman run to the mound. The pitcher sneakily gives one of the girls the ball. Then the third baseman runs towards the runner at third causing her to move back and forth. The second baseman runs towards the batter who is rounding first and heading to second. Chaos on field as both fielders pretend to have the ball and fake a throw as they run to runner. The runners will probably hesitate and go back n Forth undecided what todo. Would they be out considering they have to go one way or the other. And before you ask. Yes. The pitcher was standing on the mound with the ball in her glove the whole time not making a move but holding her glove down
Sounds like it might work once but is that too childish if it’s legal. Just like a hidden ball trick. We would notify ump before game in case the situation comes about during play

 

[Comp]

Throwing the ball to first base never activates the lookback rule, so the runner on 3rd can do whatever they want and now the ball is 80+ feet away rather than about 40'. Not to mention, if I were coaching and a team threw the ball to first base it would not stop my batter/runner from attempting to take 2nd base. I would simply have my batter/runner run straight through first base toward right field, by rule they are allowed to do so without liability to be put out, and then simply make a wide turn out into right field toward 2nd base. Now the defense has to decide to chase after the runner and risk letting the run score or just let the runner take 2nd.

As for the hidden ball trick posted above, if the ball is with the pitcher in the circle when the batter/runner touches first base the lookback rule is in effect. The runner at 3rd would have to advance or return to 3rd base immediately so there would be no dancing around off of 3rd base.

 

[radness]

Defensive goal.
Never let other team have free bases!

IMO
Any scenario that allows
a runner to take the next base
without the defense reacting,
is a weak defense.

 

[radness]

At practice
Learn to protect the plate from the other team scoring~
(this is a 1st & 3rd type drill)

*Put a runner on 3rd base
( have them 1,2 or 3 steps off bag if you like)
*Have the pitcher throw to 2nd base.
(as if theres a runner going there)
*Same time runner takes off for home.
*Have infielder at 2nd immediatly throw home.

Repeat
Repeat
Repeat
Helps develop instinct.
Defense learns timing!

Then add another runner at first. For a more game like situation. This will add more thinking curve (which can cause slower reaction)
* Goal dont let other team score!

Some players go through a learning curve developing instinct reacting to plays.
Where there is a time consuming process
Look - think - react - throw.
Which needs to be just
THROW !


Little kids do pickle type shenanigans with runners teasing.
Softball players throw them out!

Throwing is faster than running!
Practice beating the runner!

 

[uncdrew]

I am assuming there is a runner on 3rd base, because otherwise you just throw the ball to the pitcher and then to SS and tag her out.

By second year 14U, this is called "giving us 2 easy outs" because defensively they SHOULD by this stage have the arm strength and skills to make the plays. The easiest way is to get the ball back to the pitcher, have the 2nd base about 2 steps in front of the runner and time a throw/tag and then throw home play. Execute this a couple of times and people stop running the stupid play against you.

If you don't have the arms or skills/experience, then you have two choices and it depends on the scenario

1) Just take the out at 2nd and if we make a play at home, well bonus:

• With ZERO outs in 12U & under and a runner on third, early in the game I normally just take the out on the runner going to second. That runner on third is probably going to score, so I might as well take a free out and a chance on the second out at home than some ground ball RBI and no chance.
• If the other team is WAY better than us I ALWAYS take the free out:
  • This is a huge mistake people make when the other team is 10 runs better than you. Take the out and be one out closer to getting off the field and batting. Now at least they can't do it again. This stops them from simply base running you into the ground.
• We are way better than them. I don't care about 1 run
• The runner at third is slow
• The game just doesn't matter all that much. Especially in pool games where I just don't care all that much about W/L (unless winning avoids the 8am game).

Whatever happens here, if you decide to get the out, YOU MUST GET THE OUT AT SECOND. Then your WORSE result is the bases are now empty and you got a free out. That isn't awful and your turn to bat is closer.

You will be shocked by how many times the runner at third doesn't get a great jump when you take the out at second. They often are surprised you took the out or react late. We got lots of double plays in 10U and 12U this way. Once you start getting a second out, people also stop running it on you.

Also after taking the out - most coaches in 10U/12U are inexperienced so they will stop doing it because the inning ended quicker than normal. They will switch to stealing first pitch - throw her out. The first time you do it; the runner on third will stand there because she is used to other teams letting her steal.

All this helps build the skills to making this a double play most of the time; so unless the game is on the line, our teams take easy outs if they want to serve them up.

2) They can just have second;

• In close games where the runs matter on bracket day; the later in the game, the less risk I am going to take.
• In low scoring games or games I am not sure of my offense or if the other team has a dominant pitcher.
• I have a dominant strike out pitcher or we are deep in their lineup (and their lower order batter can't hit).
  • Who cares if there is a runner on 2nd and 3rd if we can strike the next girl out.

You can run all sorts of fake C or P throws to 2nd. But in general, throw the ball to the pitcher; move the P towards third and make sure that runner stays there. Remember once the runner hits 1B the runner at 3B must either advance or go back to 3rd - they can't hang out. I don't like anything where we have to make more than 1 throw to make a play for an out - if you see an opportunity for an out, throw it ONCE.

I HATE fake throw to second/short throw to a shallow infielder play. Two throws, and more often or not it ends up with an error and the run scores anyway and runner ends up on third. If I have the players to pull this off, I might as well just make it easy and take the outs the easy way. It also takes away practice time, which I have better use for than stopping something that you can just stop skills wise at some point.

Nailed it!!!

In 10U, a runner on third will most likely score. Wild pitch, passed ball, fielder's choice, sac bunt, error, hit, walks, what have you. That said, get the out. Get the out!

Or, just let them get to second base. They'll steal on the next pitch and you won't be throwing down anyway.

Nothing worse than watching the team throw the ball all over the field resulting in zero outs and giving up at least a run.

 

[radness]

Nailed it!!!

In 10U, a runner on third will most likely score. Wild pitch, passed ball, fielder's choice, sac bunt, error, hit, walks, what have you. That said, get the out. Get the out!

Or, just let them get to second base. They'll steal on the next pitch and you won't be throwing down anyway.

Nothing worse than watching the team throw the ball all over the field resulting in zero outs and giving up at least a run.

Hopefully we can plan, coach, teach, to the next level!

10u can already handle structure!

 

[uncdrew]

Hopefully we can plan, coach, teach, to the next level!

10u can already handle structure!

Not sure if you've ever coached 9/10 year olds. There is a point where their brains can't handle more. Granted all girls/kids are different, but when you're still working on "running on everything with 2 outs" and "how to tag up at third base" and how 2b covers first on a bunt... well you leave things like trick plays on defense when you have runner on third for later.

Too many coaches (we've all seen them) are trying to teach advanced stuff way too early. I get it, I went down that path a bit. It's fun to think of 8 year olds turning a 6-4-3 double play. But in reality, you quickly learn that simply getting the force at second is a huge accomplishment at that age.