Changeup video any critique welcomed
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Two very quick comments
1. Her deception looks good and deception is the most important criteria for a change up to be effective
2. What is her speed differential between dropball and change up......my initial look tells me her change up speed may be to slow.
1. Her deception looks good and deception is the most important criteria for a change up to be effective
2. What is her speed differential between dropball and change up......my initial look tells me her change up speed may be to slow.
- Feb 7, 2013
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Rick - question for you. Hillhouse says that you should attempt to finish every pitch the same way no matter if its a rise ball, drop ball, or change up. With that said, do you feel that the pitcher in the video is telegraphing the pitch that it's a changeup by the high finish of her pitching arm?
Thanks for the reply, I believe you are correct, we don't own a gun so I'm not sure how fast either are but her change up does look slower to me than the recommended drop. We are going to our very first session with a PC next Saturday and I'm hoping they put a gun on her. I'm curious as is she to her speeds. I do have a video of her throwing a fastball thought that I'll post and maybe you could tell that way? I'm not real good at judging speeds. Here it is.....
https://vimeo.com/139574014
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Couple response on this one:
1. This will be "Coach Double Speak"....I am not a proponent of forcing a certain follow through....the only exception is on a change up where all to often the follow through is unnaturally slow and flows slowly out toward the catcher (a dead give away). In this case I am a proponent of "forcing" an upward follow through on the change up....but up about eye high. This one may be a bit high and more than anything put her in a dangerous fielding position. I ask my pitchers to accelerate their arm speed upward after release so as to give the appearance of "fast".
2. Again, This is where I talk out of the other side of my mouth on follow through. I really don't think you should force a follow through. So to the point you suggested that Hillhouse has stated on follow through......you should just let the arm do its natural unloading after release....in lots of cases this means the follow through is different.
- Sep 10, 2013
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if you can play your dropball and changeup videos frame-by-frame and count the number of frames it takes for each from the point of release to catcher's glove, you can get an approximate difference of drop ball vs change up speed.
for my dd, it takes about 16 frames for her drop and 19 for her change. i know her drop is about 54-55 so with a little math, i know her CU is around 45.
again all approximate but should give you a good idea if the cu is too fast or too slow... w/o using a radar gun
Man10
This is just a visual guess based on your two videos.....I am guessing her differential is 20 mph.....if true I think that is to much. Your DD's fastball looks good, so if you could close that differential to about 12 mph I think that as she increases the competition level she is facing it will serve her better. Here is the neat thing that is a positive spin-off of increasing her change up speed.....her deception should improve because of the added energy/arm speed.
This is just a visual guess based on your two videos.....I am guessing her differential is 20 mph.....if true I think that is to much. Your DD's fastball looks good, so if you could close that differential to about 12 mph I think that as she increases the competition level she is facing it will serve her better. Here is the neat thing that is a positive spin-off of increasing her change up speed.....her deception should improve because of the added energy/arm speed.
FWIW - I have had the best results, especially at the higher levels with a CU 10-15% less than the full speed pitch used to set it up. Relating this to time of flight it has the ball about 4-6 feet in front of the plate when compared with a regular pitch and the trajectory is for the most part identical..
Does she walk through on her finish now? It looks a little faster.
Do you have her pitch to you without you knowing what's coming to see if it fools you?
Do you have her pitch to you without you knowing what's coming to see if it fools you?
