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Mar 26, 2013
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Now as the epitome of reasonableness, I think it's clear to see that whatever conference had the University of Missouri in it is automatically the greatest. ;-)
Fixed it for you...

SEC should hold a special playoff for the right to be called Tigers. Losers have to go by Tiggers.
 
Jul 19, 2014
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WELL!!!!!!
I grew up in the south and used to play tournament chess in the south.

Southern chess is very genteel.

Like the time a friend of mine and I went to a tournament in Muskogee, and had no place to stay. We walked by the dugout at the baseball field of an Indian college, where some friendly Indians were drinking. They helped us sneak into a dorm where we could stay for free.

Or the time I went with the best player in all of Arkansas to a week long tournament in Stillwater, OK. We didn't have a place to stay, so one of the locals set us up with a carpeted floor in a trailer park. Interesting reaction when the trailer's owners came by. They didn't know us or know we were staying there, but they didn't mind at all.

Yes, chess is the south is a very genteel sport indeed.
 
Dec 20, 2012
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WELL!!!!!!
I grew up in the south and used to play tournament chess in the south.

Southern chess is very genteel.

Like the time a friend of mine and I went to a tournament in Muskogee, and had no place to stay. We walked by the dugout at the baseball field of an Indian college, where some friendly Indians were drinking. They helped us sneak into a dorm where we could stay for free.

Or the time I went with the best player in all of Arkansas to a week long tournament in Stillwater, OK. We didn't have a place to stay, so one of the locals set us up with a carpeted floor in a trailer park. Interesting reaction when the trailer's owners came by. They didn't know us or know we were staying there, but they didn't mind at all.

Yes, chess is the south is a very genteel sport indeed.

Indian, dot or feather? lol You must have been at Bacone. And no it's not Bacon. lol
 
Jul 19, 2014
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Indian, dot or feather? lol You must have been at Bacone. And no it's not Bacon. lol

Yes, it was Bacone. I mentioned that to my grandmother, born and raised in Muskogee, and she, of course, knew all about Bacone. It seemed like my grandmother knew everything about eastern OK. She went off to college in 1924, but when one of my cousins moved to Talequah, next county over, in the middle 1970s, my grandmother sent pages and pages of kinfolk to look up.
 
Dec 20, 2012
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Yes, it was Bacone. I mentioned that to my grandmother, born and raised in Muskogee, and she, of course, knew all about Bacone. It seemed like my grandmother knew everything about eastern OK. She went off to college in 1924, but when one of my cousins moved to Talequah, next county over, in the middle 1970s, my grandmother sent pages and pages of kinfolk to look up.

lol if they know them then you should too! Dang was she there when it was still a territory?

My wife's family is from out that way in Hichita. Her Mom lives in Eufaula, brother went to school in Tahlequah and I have worked quite a bit out that way. I like it out there, really like it farther east in Ft Smith area. Tons of history out that way.
 
Jan 15, 2014
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lol if they know them then you should too! Dang was she there when it was still a territory?

My wife's family is from out that way in Hichita. Her Mom lives in Eufaula, brother went to school in Tahlequah and I have worked quite a bit out that way. I like it out there, really like it farther east in Ft Smith area. Tons of history out that way.

That's crazy. I've got family in council hill. I'm related to all the hargis' and Lawson.
 
Jul 19, 2014
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Madison, WI
My grandmother's family split up in the 1830s, with most of the family heading out west, and a small part of the family heading west to Nashville. Lots of trouble in those days. My ancestors were big names in the Treaty Party, run by Major Ridge. There was a nasty war with John Ross' anti treaty party that lasted about 50 years.

One of my ancestors, "Chief Jack" Walker was assassinated at the Council of Red Clay in 1835 for advocating a treaty of removal. His widow, Emily Meigs, had no one to turn to, since her brother Return Meigs III was married to Johanna Ross, Chief John Ross' daughter, and John Ross had ordered the assassination.
Later Jack's father, Major John Walker was one of the signers of treaty. Return Johnathan Meigs the eldest signed for the USA.
Major Walker was assassinated in Indian Territory in what is now OK in 1838 by order of Chief Ross. Note that Major Walker had been Ross' commanding officer in 1812, under General Andrew Jackson, in the Battle of Horseshoe Bend against the Creeks, who were allied with Tecumsah, and armed by the British.
All but one of the leaders of the Treaty Party were assassinated the same day.
Stand Watie, nephew of Major Ridge, killed his assassin, who turned out to be the same assassin who killed Jack Walker 3 years earlier. Watie was arrested in Fort Smith, and demanded to be tried in front of The Hanging Judge, since he could not get a fair trial in Indian Territory.

One of Jack Walker's daughters was married at age 14 and went to a farm outside Nashville, rather than heading to IT. I visited the farm in 1977. The family sold it in 1980, finally probating a will from the 1800s. Walker's daughter could not legally own land in Tennessee, since she wasn't white enough. One of my Okie cousins teaches physics at Vanderbilt, and keeps in touch with the kinfolk there.

Things really got nasty during the War. Ross sided with the Yankees, so of course his enemies sided with the CSA. Confederate General Stand Watie used the War as a way to get revenge. Note that Watie was the first non-white General in American history and the last Confederate General to surrender.

By the late 1800s the fueds finally ended. A lot of my family's Tenn branch went over to Indian Territory to be with their relatives. The last one over was my great-grandmother, who arrived in the very early 1900s. My grandmother was born just before statehood.
 

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