DD Bat Drag ?

[RayR]

Yes ... and the desire to turn the barrel, which can easily be connected to the lateral scrunching (spine engine), will pretty much guarantee an inside/out swing path versus and over-the-top swing path.

This is what I was saying wrt to lateral tilt of the shoulders - when a player moves their balance point forward so they can release off the back foot and not lunge....

In the clip I have of Add's daughter she does this quite well and I understand that some players can figure it out on their own and some players need to have candles lit along the path to show them the way....

 

[rdbass]

This is what I was saying wrt to lateral tilt of the shoulders - when a player moves their balance point forward so they can release off the back foot and not lunge....

In the clip I have of Add's daughter she does this quite well and I understand that some players can figure it out on their own and some players need to have candles lit along the path to show them the way....

MTS,
1 time you posted a gif of a younger girl swinging at a ball on tee. You placed a yellow rope that followed the path of a pitched ball to the catcher. This was a good example of the "candles" showing part of the path to the ball.

 

[batdragon]

Just a little update. In the last 2 weeks my DD has only been doing the drills described in this discussion. She has been primarily hitting a punching bag, deep tee drills & sean casey drills. She has not seen a live pitch for the last 2 weeks. Last night we had practice with the team and had our ACE pitcher throw to our girls. Our ACE mowed down our entire team and then my DD came up. Our ACE couldn't throw a ball by her and even tried to throw a few change ups. 10 swings, 10 line drives into the outfield, most rolled/bounced to the fence. My DD has always hit well but this truly is the best I have ever seen her hit. Her swing looked short to the ball and long through it. Also, she didn't roll over any pitches.

My DD was very excited and told me in the ride home "all that tee work paid off" and says we need to keep practicing every day. She also said that the pitching just seems slower and that she has more time to hit the ball.

I really wasn't expecting her to hit well, since we have not even moved to the "front toss" stage yet. To me its cool that she progessed so much without a pitch thrown to her for 2 weeks.

It was cool.... our ACEs dad kept yelling at his DD to get the pitch lower and our ACE told him, "it doesn't matter, she crushes it no matter where I pitch it" ... ha.

Sorry for bragging and rambling a bit... just wanted to let you know that the drills posted...have drastically modified her swing and I have never seen an improvement by her so quickly. Thank you everyone for your contributions so far. Next phase soft toss/front toss....

thx,
BatDragon

 

[theaddition]

The notion of turning the barrel to contact will most definitely remove 'bat drag'.

You can't say that without a detailed explaination.
When does one turn the barrel?
Does the turning of the barrel take place at different times in the swing?
Your answer please.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Congratulations Batdragon. You have reason to brag. You showed your daughter how to correct a 'bat drag' issue. You've showed your daughter how to move towards a swing that will 'scale' .... and that right there is huge, and it means her windows of opportunities in this game have increased.

 

[theaddition]

So theaddition, in your opinion, what upstream issues cause bat drag ? and what fixes these upstream issues ?

I really need FFS to answer my ? regarding the turning of the barrel., and I hope he does.
I'm not trying to change anyone's methods and truely don't expect FFS or anyone else who adheres to the barrel turning methodology
to agree with me. I merely want to contrast 2 different opinions.

There is one absolute that has to occur before "the barrel is turned". Watch the video (top) of Casey in the 1 knee drill.
O'Leary's son does it quite well. I in the past hammered O'leary. But based on the video HE posted and is now gone, I say Well done O'Leary.
I'm hoping FFS answers my ?s.

 

[HYP]

Just a little update. In the last 2 weeks my DD has only been doing the drills described in this discussion. She has been primarily hitting a punching bag, deep tee drills & sean casey drills. She has not seen a live pitch for the last 2 weeks. Last night we had practice with the team and had our ACE pitcher throw to our girls. Our ACE mowed down our entire team and then my DD came up. Our ACE couldn't throw a ball by her and even tried to throw a few change ups. 10 swings, 10 line drives into the outfield, most rolled/bounced to the fence. My DD has always hit well but this truly is the best I have ever seen her hit. Her swing looked short to the ball and long through it. Also, she didn't roll over any pitches.

My DD was very excited and told me in the ride home "all that tee work paid off" and says we need to keep practicing every day. She also said that the pitching just seems slower and that she has more time to hit the ball.

I really wasn't expecting her to hit well, since we have not even moved to the "front toss" stage yet. To me its cool that she progessed so much without a pitch thrown to her for 2 weeks.

It was cool.... our ACEs dad kept yelling at his DD to get the pitch lower and our ACE told him, "it doesn't matter, she crushes it no matter where I pitch it" ... ha.

Sorry for bragging and rambling a bit... just wanted to let you know that the drills posted...have drastically modified her swing and I have never seen an improvement by her so quickly. Thank you everyone for your contributions so far. Next phase soft toss/front toss....

thx,
BatDragon

Great news. Not trying to be a downer but tell her to wipe the smile off of her face and get back to work.

I would not be so anxious to move to front toss or any kind of toss from her normal stance. Do not give her any reason to go back to her old swing. Stay on the tee, keep doing the knee drills and I would add in a fence drill with a tee. Once she forgets what her old swing feels like I would start doing some front toss stuff from her normal stance but a limited amount.

Good Luck

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

You can't say that without a detailed explaination.
When does one turn the barrel?
Does the turning of the barrel take place at different times in the swing?
Your answer please.

I find it hard to believe that you need further information before you will give us your definition of bat drag. Go back through the thread ... I've explained what 'bat drag' is.

Perhaps looking at it this way will help .....

From one's launch position, the hands never move forward without the top hand having a pressure on the barrel that is orthogonal to the barrel. The top hand has a pressure on the barrel that agrees with the notion of turning the barrel. From a role of the top hand ... it helps to have the attitude that the job is not to "pull the barrel to contact", or to "push the barrel to contact", but to "turn the barrel to contact".

Bat drag issues are very easy to correct. I'm dead serious with that comment. There is absolutely no excuse for people not cleaning up swings containing bat drag.

 

[theaddition]

uh-oh it's personal now

I find it hard to believe that you need further information before you will give us your definition of bat drag. Go back through the thread ... I've explained what 'bat drag' is.

Perhaps looking at it this way will help .....

From one's launch position, the hands never move forward without the top hand having a pressure on the barrel that is orthogonal to the barrel. The top hand has a pressure on the barrel that agrees with the notion of turning the barrel. From a role of the top hand ... it helps to have the attitude that the job is not to "pull the barrel to contact", or to "push the barrel to contact", but to "turn the barrel to contact".

I find it strange that you can't answer a simple question.
With your convoluted description (answer I guess) as the back drop, I guess your saying the batter at some time applys a orthogonal force to the barrel which is directed towards the catcher (away from the pitcher if you like) with the top hand.
My question is, WHEN? In the engineering field, which is my vocation, orthogonal means a perpendicular (right angle) force on an object. it is also a seldom used term in the real world.
Someone's been on the internet.
I don't recall asking for help from you. I do remember politely asking you for your decription (explanation) And, I don't need any conversion to your methodology as my DD does quite well at the plate. So don't go there. I'll compare her to anyone's, including your students if you even have any.
Example swings please.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

TA ... if you are trying to make the case that I'm advocating "bopping the catcher in the head", then nix that notion completely.

You simply do not bring the hands forward with a notion of pulling/dragging/pushing the barrel with the top hand ... but turning the barrel with the top hand. From my perspective that is why Donny advocated a pronated top hand. Not to bop the catcher in the head, but to turn the barrel.

As for the movement pertaining to the beginning motion of the barrel's arc ... I've already described that ... and the description was good enough that RDB followed up with a video immediately after the post ... suggesting to me that he grasped the notion.