Just out of curiosity, if there is a delay in the action and the pitcher throws overhand to one of the infielders, is that still classified a warm up? Or does it need to be underhand?
Warm up pitches
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NCAA
6.5.6.1 Pitching from the pitcher’s circle to home plate for no more than
five continuous pitches or four pitches and one throw to first base or any
combination that is limited to five throws from the pitcher in a continuous
manner.
EFFECT—A ball shall be awarded to the next batter(s) faced for each
excessive pitch/throw.
and
10.19 Warm-Up Pitches Allowed
10.19.1 A warm-up pitch is any pitch delivered to the plate during a suspension
of play.
10.19.2 At the start of the game and beginning of each half-inning, the pitcher of
record may throw not more than five pitches or four pitches and one throw to
first base or any combination that is limited to five throws from the pitcher in
a continuous manner. Play shall be suspended during this time.
Note: If the catcher is the third out or on base when the third out is made, the
offensive team should have someone ready to warm up the pitcher.
10.19.3 After a pitching change, a relief pitcher may throw not more than five
pitches or four pitches and one throw to first base or any combination that is
limited to five throws from the pitcher in a continuous manner. Play shall be
suspended during this time. A pitcher shall not be allowed warm-up pitches if
returning to pitch in the same half-inning.
EFFECT—(10.19.1 to 10.19.3)—A ball shall be awarded to the next batter(s)
faced for each excessive warm-up pitch/throw.
10.19.4 A player other than the pitcher of record throws a warm-up pitch.
EFFECT—For a first violation, the umpire shall issue a warning to the
offending coach. Subsequent violation by the same team shall
result in ejection of the head coach. (Administrative ejection; see
Rule 13.2.1.)
10.19.5 After injury to a pitcher, the relief pitcher must be allowed adequate time
to warm up. Play shall be suspended during this time.
10.19.6 The pitcher shall be given adequate time to warm up after any substantial
delay caused by inclement weather, injury or delayed play by the umpire.
It was the opposing coach who's complaint brought the penalty. Chicken shirt rule made by and used by coaches. I doubt the umpire crew was looking to make this call.
6.5.6.1 Pitching from the pitcher’s circle to home plate for no more than
five continuous pitches or four pitches and one throw to first base or any
combination that is limited to five throws from the pitcher in a continuous
manner.
EFFECT—A ball shall be awarded to the next batter(s) faced for each
excessive pitch/throw.
and
10.19 Warm-Up Pitches Allowed
10.19.1 A warm-up pitch is any pitch delivered to the plate during a suspension
of play.
10.19.2 At the start of the game and beginning of each half-inning, the pitcher of
record may throw not more than five pitches or four pitches and one throw to
first base or any combination that is limited to five throws from the pitcher in
a continuous manner. Play shall be suspended during this time.
Note: If the catcher is the third out or on base when the third out is made, the
offensive team should have someone ready to warm up the pitcher.
10.19.3 After a pitching change, a relief pitcher may throw not more than five
pitches or four pitches and one throw to first base or any combination that is
limited to five throws from the pitcher in a continuous manner. Play shall be
suspended during this time. A pitcher shall not be allowed warm-up pitches if
returning to pitch in the same half-inning.
EFFECT—(10.19.1 to 10.19.3)—A ball shall be awarded to the next batter(s)
faced for each excessive warm-up pitch/throw.
10.19.4 A player other than the pitcher of record throws a warm-up pitch.
EFFECT—For a first violation, the umpire shall issue a warning to the
offending coach. Subsequent violation by the same team shall
result in ejection of the head coach. (Administrative ejection; see
Rule 13.2.1.)
10.19.5 After injury to a pitcher, the relief pitcher must be allowed adequate time
to warm up. Play shall be suspended during this time.
10.19.6 The pitcher shall be given adequate time to warm up after any substantial
delay caused by inclement weather, injury or delayed play by the umpire.
It was the opposing coach who's complaint brought the penalty. Chicken shirt rule made by and used by coaches. I doubt the umpire crew was looking to make this call.
Greenmonsters
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A legal pitch has to be thrown underhand, so you would think a warm-up pitch also needs to be thrown underhand and an overhand throw would not be considered a warm-up pitch. But....no where does it say that warm-up pitches have to be legal so that overhand throw to an infielder could be considered a warm-up pitch. There you have it in a nutshell - who knows.
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Point is the purpose of the rule is to prevent an unnecessary delay in the game. When there is a delay in the game through no fault of the defense, it shouldn't matter. Why was there a delay? Because ESPN was still running a commercial and that does affect the game and the most likely candidate would be the pitcher.
The rules concerning warm-ups are strictly for game control. You might also note that the NCAA rule removes any time-limit on taking the warm-up pitches. Wonder why that is? Could it be because no pitcher would ever get a total of five if the conditions previously included and included in most other softball rule sets were enforced?
The chicken shirt part is the conditions. Is it a warm-up pitch if the pitcher is not in the circle? Is it a warm-up pitch if not thrown to the same player? IMO, the umpire should have used 10.19.6 to allow the additional tosses.
Always room for interpretation I suppose. DD is a high school freshman so a completely different rule set. Opposing coach was involved in a conversation with home plate umpire to bring in a pinch hitter. DD used the time to play catch with the third baseman (overhand). Threw the ball three or four times while waiting for the new batter to come out on the field. I was just curious what type of implications that would have at the NCAA level. Thanks for the responses.
