Coach ejected

[plsjms94]

Under what circumstances can an umpire eject a coach from a game?

Here's what happened. SS dove to stop ground ball that bounced off of third base's glove. While still on the ground the SS crawled/stretched out to tag 2nd before the runner got to the bag. Field ump was positioned between 2nd and 3rd behind the baseline. He called the runner safe. HC and several fans yelled "it's a force." Field ump immediately turned to the dugout and yelled "you're out of here." Discussion ensued. HC asked who was being thrown out. Ump said whoever said that. HC said he didn't know who said that. Plate ump got involved. He said there are 3 coaches. One of you is out of here or you're all out of here. An AC ended up leaving the dugout so the game could continue. It seemed pretty clear to those watching that the field Ump overreacted to divert attention from the blown call. After the next inning the HC asked the plate ump what the field ump's name was. He told him he didn't need to know it.

So, was the ump right to eject the coach? If not, how should this have been handled by the HC?

 

[JAD]

Were there any 'altercations' between the coaches and the umpire before then? If things went down the way you describe, there is no doubt the field umpire overreacted.

 

[ms244]

The way our team operates and I assume that ours is like most teams, the coach of the team is responsible for their coaches, players and parents. With that being said, the way you described the situation the field ump over-reacted. By the parents calling out the obvious it made the field ump embarrassed, thus the ejection.

What I would demand is that the name of the field ump be made available so actions could be made towards that person. He made a bad call, that happens. But to over-react to the point where coaches get ejected based on a parent stating the obvious might be too much.

Also, was this a tournament? If it was, the HC should have contacted the head official and handled that situation. You didn't really say where/when the game was played so it is hard to say what to do about the field umpire.

Bad calls happen. The speed of the game is getting faster and that makes it difficult at times but the difference between a tag and a force is umpire 101 type calling.

 

[plsjms94]

The only previous interaction was an appeal in the 1st for batter hit by ball out of the box. HC asked if the PU would check with FU. FU backed PU's call. The interaction was not argumentative.

 

[chinamigarden]

Is it possible the ump thought they said something else, that maybe is a no no?

 

[plsjms94]

This was in a tournament. Pool play. 12u. Event was being held between 2 complexes. Not sure if TD was at this location or the other complex. HC did say he was going to make sure TD was aware. Agree bad calls happen-umpires will make mistakes. The majority watching were just disappointed at the way both umpires responded.

 

[plsjms94]

Is it possible the ump thought they said something else, that maybe is a no no?

I guess that's possible, but the coach started out pretty calm. He said it was a force and was trying to get the field ump to ask the plate ump if he had a better view of the play. During the discussion the HC asked what was said and the umpire dodged answering. He just kept saying you're out of here. Then the plate ump got into the conversation and it went downhill from there.

 

[redhotcoach]

Anytime I have seen a coach thrown out without several warnings, they either said something vulgar, a direct insult, or umpire thought they did.

 

[Momo'sDad]

After the next inning the HC asked the plate ump what the field ump's name was. He told him he didn't need to know it.

The coaches and umpires didn't meet one another prior to the start of the game?

 

[MTR]

Under what circumstances can an umpire eject a coach from a game?

The honest answer is anytime the umpire believes it is warranted.

Here's what happened. SS dove to stop ground ball that bounced off of third base's glove. While still on the ground the SS crawled/stretched out to tag 2nd before the runner got to the bag. Field ump was positioned between 2nd and 3rd behind the baseline. He called the runner safe. HC and several fans yelled "it's a force." Field ump immediately turned to the dugout and yelled "you're out of here." Discussion ensued. HC asked who was being thrown out. Ump said whoever said that. HC said he didn't know who said that. Plate ump got involved. He said there are 3 coaches. One of you is out of here or you're all out of here. An AC ended up leaving the dugout so the game could continue. It seemed pretty clear to those watching that the field Ump overreacted to divert attention from the blown call. After the next inning the HC asked the plate ump what the field ump's name was. He told him he didn't need to know it.

So, was the ump right to eject the coach? If not, how should this have been handled by the HC?

Was it an over reaction? Maybe, we are only hearing on side of the story. But it really doesn't make any difference as what alternative is there? Are you going to forfeit a game over something so trivial?

Best thing to do is approach the TD after the game and voice your concerns. The TD will know or be able to find out, who the umpire was.