Well the basis for my question is my team does not have any serious pitchers. By that I mean the 5 or so that are willing or want to pitch have little formal training nor parents who will spend the needed bucket time with them. So have been trying to squeeze pitching time for them at the expense of the valuable practise time. As such they are raw with basically fastballs and so so change ups and have just been trying to get them to get over the plate or hit a target to try build consistency. From what I'm reading here I think we are probably in for trouble much as I worried we would be. Out of 100 pitches so far 2 are in the low 20's for putting it across one in 30s and another bounces between 20s to 40s