The rear leg

[RayR]

[video=youtube_share;mLZTOTilC4w]http://youtu.be/mLZTOTilC4w[/video]

 

[NoonTime]

LAFlippin has some nice vids on his youtube channel. And you can search it. For example, here is the search for Chase Utley

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It's especially cool if you are a Giant's fan. Here is a Buster Posey clip I made.

Inside pitch -- Middle pitch -- Outside pitch

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[Wellphyt]

This clip is so good I thought about posting it twice. Watch the back foot everyone.

 

[HYP]

Yes a very ugly giff. a better version of this clip would be nice.


hyp and some others were talking about not uncoiling, holding the coil, even with the hips opening.

So in this gif i see by the crease in his pants, that he has released this tension, has released his coil. early.
my point was in that paticular discussion was that you could hold the coil all the way to first base if you wanted, once the back leg was unweighted, it did not matter.

To me, coil foward , then uncoil, means hips turn one way, then the other.

To some there is no uncoil, and uncoil has nothing to do with the hips turning.

The rear hip coils. Not the hips. The pelvis opens but the tightness in the rear hip remains. Uncoil to me would be tightening the rear hip as to coil and then letting that tightness go to uncoil.

IMO, that is not what happens. If that happens you have slippage.

 

[mann]

The rear hip coils. Not the hips. The pelvis opens but the tightness in the rear hip remains. Uncoil to me would be tightening the rear hip as to coil and then letting that tightness go to uncoil.

IMO, that is not what happens. If that happens you have slippage.

Nice post, small words, easy to understand.

A couple of questions Hyp.

Do you teach drive the knee down and in?

Once the back leg is unweighted, do you still hold the coil?

Do any of the muscles in the front hip no Anything, ?

in my mind, all i can see the rear leg, doing after the initial push, as it reaches its bending point, and must turn, is pulling the hip Down. wich is not a bad thing.


I know, more than a couple.



in the very ugly gif, Utly, does not hold his coil. If you look you can see this, if you are honest about it,
based on the crease and seperation in that rear groin area.
Not to say some do, or dont, its just one swing.

 

[rdbass]

Thanks to NoonTime gifs.

 

[rdbass]

 

[HYP]

Nice post, small words, easy to understand.

A couple of questions Hyp.

Do you teach drive the knee down and in?

Once the back leg is unweighted, do you still hold the coil?

Do any of the muscles in the front hip no Anything, ?

in my mind, all i can see the rear leg, doing after the initial push, as it reaches its bending point, and must turn, is pulling the hip Down. wich is not a bad thing.


I know, more than a couple.



in the very ugly gif, Utly, does not hold his coil. If you look you can see this, if you are honest about it,
based on the crease and seperation in that rear groin area.
Not to say some do, or dont, its just one swing.

I know this is a technical thread. some of the things I say here will not be technical.

No, I do not teach the rear knee to "drive" down and in. Keeping the pressure on the inside of the rear leg and staying back. The rear knee will move down and in. This will start the pelvis opening.

Once the barrel is gone the rear hip coil can go to. The unweighting part is hard to answer for me. I am not trying to be vague. For me the rear leg is always weighted. Even when the rear foot is off of the ground. The rear foot is unweighted but the weight is still over the rear leg. That is why the hitter falls back on the rear foot.

I do not think about the front hip. For me the front hip gets moved because of what the pelvis is doing. The rear knee moving down and in forces the front hip out of the way.

I'm pretty sure what I just wrote above is not technically correct. In fact I am sure of it but it is how I view what is happening.

 

[RichK]

1. For me the rear leg is always weighted. Even when the rear foot is off of the ground. The rear foot is unweighted but the weight is still over the rear leg. That is why the hitter falls back on the rear foot.

2. I do not think about the front hip. For me the front hip gets moved because of what the pelvis is doing.

I'm pretty sure what I just wrote above is not technically correct. In fact I am sure of it but it is how I view what is happening.

Hyp, for what it's worth I get what you are saying and think it's valuable.

1. I agree. This is why I don't like the "kick" drill that some advocate, where the back foot is actively kicked forward at finish. I think the back foot comes up during the swing but you don't "think" about doing it and sometimes you "fall back" and it's NOT a bug squish

2. I agree. This is why I don't like putting a focus on "doing something " with the front leg as the back leg/hip coils, things like bringing the front knee up and back or or thinking about things like a "front press", etc.

Focus on the things that TRULY matter and that you can work to improve/tighten up and the things that happen but aren't primary (ie, rear foot turning clockwise (the move), toe touch/heel drop as a checkpoint, an active push/block that finishes the swing) will just happen as a matter of course.

 

[Wellphyt]

Save this clip to your computer so that you can open it up in QuickTime.

I will point something out later regarding the back leg. You will need to be able to advance and back up the clip frame by frame using the arrow keys on your key board.