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Jun 17, 2009
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practice laterally bending and twisting just to get a feel for it.

Is this?
Upperbody_runningstart3.gif

What we see Ted doing is what is termed lead side lateral bend. This occurs during the FbC.

My recollection of the ruler demonstration is that this is rear side lordosis (bottom of the ruler) and rear side lateral bend (along the length of the ruler)..

The ruler and what Ted are doing are two different segments in the swing.
 
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May 3, 2014
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Any FBC that occurs is caused by the core/spinal actions not the opposite. You are trying shoe horn FBC into the sagittal / core / spinal model which just another way to try and say the rear leg is in charge. .
 

TDS

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What we see Ted doing is what is termed lead side lateral bend. This occurs during the FbC.

My recollection of the ruler demonstration is that this is rear side lordosis (bottom of the ruler) and rear side lateral bend (along the length of the ruler)..

The ruler and what Ted are doing are two different segments in the swing.


The ruler comparison was created to show how the spine/core is activated during the pre-swing movement (the initial cat movement). The hands/arms are suppose to move in the same plane of the ruler. The ruler being released is to show the transition from the initial cat to the cow (PPT/APT).
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
Any FBC that occurs is caused by the core/spinal actions not the opposite. You are trying shoe horn FBC into the sagittal / core / spinal model which just another way to try and say the rear leg is in charge. .

Not shoe horning anything.

The forward lead side lateral bend will, or should, naturally lead to FbC.
 
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Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
What we see Ted doing is what is termed lead side lateral bend. This occurs during the FbC.

My recollection of the ruler demonstration is that this is rear side lordosis (bottom of the ruler) and rear side lateral bend (along the length of the ruler)..

The ruler and what Ted are doing are two different segments in the swing.


The ruler comparison was created to show how the spine/core is activated during the pre-swing movement (the initial cat movement). The hands/arms are suppose to move in the same plane of the ruler. The ruler being released is to show the transition from the initial cat to the cow (PPT/APT).

The release of the ruler at the top was meant to show the power associated with the two actions.
 
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May 3, 2014
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The forward lead side lateral bend will, our should, naturally lead to FbC.

You just wrote the opposite

What we see Ted doing is what is termed lead side lateral bend. This occurs during the FbC.

Either way - the core model is not concerned with forward by coil actions because as you said it just happens naturally.
 
Jun 17, 2009
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Portland, OR
The forward lead side lateral bend will, our should, naturally lead to FbC.

You just wrote the opposite

What we see Ted doing is what is termed lead side lateral bend. This occurs during the FbC.

Either way - the core model is not concerned with forward by coil actions because as you said it just happens naturally.

I don't see what I wrote as opposite.

We lateral bend the lead side to go forward ... As we FbC.
 
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TDS

Mar 11, 2010
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Every hitter has lateral bend which is a frontal plane movement.. So yes there is lateral bend happening during the swing.. What some of us are trying to teach is the combination of sagittal/transverse/frontal.. Allowing the sagittal movements to be the initiator should allow for the other movements to happen naturally. The reason most hitters loose there balance and have timing issues is due to the focus in the frontal plane.
 
May 3, 2014
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Simple inference made by you.

An event occuring DURING another event infers the former event is caused or happens after the latter event.

An event that NATURALLY LEADS to another event infers clearly that the former event causes or sets up the latter event.

Either way - FBC is associated with the rear leg being in charge and is not a sagittal action so really any mention trying to blend lateral bend with FBC is not compatible. Meaning that if your goal is to FBC you will bypass something in the spinal/core/sagittal model.
 

rdbass

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Jun 5, 2010
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Not here.
Arch his lower back and don't let the arch come out until launch.

The lumbar lordosis is sticking the butt out.....bending the spine....bending of the ruler shown below.

The twist of the ruler is the lower back pulling rearward against the leg in the socket.
Ruler.gif

Keep both the bend and the twist around the corner.
 

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