Rolling your wrist

sbcowboy · Jul 9, 2015

Hello DFP. I am trying to help my dd with her hitting. I looks as if she is rolling her wrist right after contact. When should the wrist roll? She has been in a slump lately. She hits the ball but with no power. I think the rolling of the wrist right after contact is stealing all of the power.

Thanks!

RichK · Jul 9, 2015

*throw* the top hand past the bottom hand. it's a good cue. try it yourself. versus: wrist roll shortens the process, equate it with back-slapping. NOT throwing top hand short-circuits things too, leads to chicken wing.

FiveFrameSwing · Jul 10, 2015

sbcowboy said:
Hello DFP. I am trying to help my dd with her hitting. I looks as if she is rolling her wrist right after contact. When should the wrist roll? She has been in a slump lately. She hits the ball but with no power. I think the rolling of the wrist right after contact is stealing all of the power.

Thanks!

The wrists should be allowed to roll. The barrel should be allowed to pivot. Physically restricting the pivoting action is what robs power from the swing.

The release path is such that both hands/wrists ulnar deviate through impact and then 'roll'.

FiveFrameSwing said:
The bottom hand does indeed pull … but not through impact. Pulling with the bottom hand is exactly what you don’t want to happen through impact. Instead the wrists ulnar deviate into and through impact.

The unhinging of the wrists, through ulnar deviation, just before and through impact, is the final and controlling factor of ensuring a repeatable and stable impact motion … along with the ‘extension’ that is lacking in many of the youth swings we often see.

In simple terms … you throw the barrel and release it with simultaneous ulnar deviation with both wrists, and that effectively has the bat whipping into the ball. You release through a path of ulnar deviation and then roll.

Getting through the ball, for the experience of quality impact, is why so many pros have a goal of becoming extended. It’s all about the very brief, yet highly important, quality of impact.

FiveFrameSwing · Jul 10, 2015

What does the top hand do into and through impact?

Long story short … the feel is that it does very little to nothing.

It’s called a ‘release’.

Release the barrel through impact.

Impact is not so much a position, as it is something that you move dynamically through.

You are releasing the barrel through impact.

When you hold onto the barrel tightly/firmly with the top hand, what you essentially do is slow the barrel down.

The feel of hitting the ball hard with a muscled firm wrist is a false feel of power. You want to lose such a mindset of muscling the wrists through impact. Hitting heavy objects that prolong the duration of the bat/ball collision (e.g., TCB balls) can lead to creating such a false sense of power.

What you want to be doing is releasing the barrel so that it can accelerate.

The trick, if there is one, is learning how to properly release the barrel.

vino1972 · Jul 11, 2015

Rich --what do you mean by back slapping?reason I ask is because my dd hits her back at follow through and not sure if that is a problem. It sounds painful but she says its fine . thanks

sbcowboy · Jul 11, 2015

FFF. Can you post some video of what you feel the wrist should do at contact and beyond?
Thanks

FiveFrameSwing · Jul 11, 2015

Many people that attempt to restrict a natural wrist roll end up damaging the functionality of the lead hand/wrist/arm action relative to a proper swing. The answer isn't to restrict wrist roll, but to learn the functionality of the lead arm.

Often the problem with "early wrist roll" is with improper lead arm usage. Likewise, the problem with restricting top hand/wrist/arm action through impact often resides with improper lead arm usage as well.

pstein · Jul 12, 2015

sbcowboy said:
Hello DFP. I am trying to help my dd with her hitting. I looks as if she is rolling her wrist right after contact. When should the wrist roll? She has been in a slump lately. She hits the ball but with no power. I think the rolling of the wrist right after contact is stealing all of the power.

Thanks!

The ball is gone. Why would it matter what she does after contact?

Lack of power is usually a result of lack of batspeed, which is usually caused by improper mechanics (being an arm swinger and the like).

FiveFrameSwing · Jul 12, 2015

pstein said:
sbcowboy said:

Hello DFP. I am trying to help my dd with her hitting. I looks as if she is rolling her wrist right after contact. When should the wrist roll? She has been in a slump lately. She hits the ball but with no power. I think the rolling of the wrist right after contact is stealing all of the power.

Thanks!

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The ball is gone. Why would it matter what she does after contact?

Lack of power is usually a result of lack of batspeed, which is usually caused by improper mechanics (being an arm swinger and the like).

While impact is brief ... on the order of 1/2000 second for a baseball ... the quality of impact is hugely important. Impact, being a dynamic event, can be analyzed in terms of efficiency by the actions pre and post contact.

Batspeed alone, without accurate control and without proper energy transfer, isn't going to get someone far in this game.

Mechanics are important ... and when you deal with hitters with poor energy transfer issues, then an understanding of release mechanics can become important. As simple as release may appear to many, it isn't simple for a good number of hitters.

If you've ever worked with a flipper then you know this. If you've ever worked with someone that rotates through impact, then you know this.

sbcowboy · Jul 12, 2015

FiveFrameSwing said:
Many people that attempt to restrict a natural wrist roll end up damaging the functionality of the lead hand/wrist/arm action relative to a proper swing. The answer isn't to restrict wrist roll, but to learn the functionality of the lead arm.

Often the problem with "early wrist roll" is with improper lead arm usage. Likewise, the problem with restricting top hand/wrist/arm action through impact often resides with improper lead arm usage as well.

FFF. I went back and looked at a post by Wellphyt on rolling the wrist. I think I am starting to understand what you are talking about. I looked at my DD's swing and sure enough her front elbow is collapsing which is probably causing her to roll early. I will work on that and try and post a video of her swing.

Thanks FFF.

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