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[FiveFrameSwing]

Every hitter has lateral bend which is a frontal plane movement.. So yes there is lateral bend happening during the swing.. What some of us are trying to teach is the combination of sagittal/transverse/frontal.. Allowing the sagittal movements to be the initiator should allow for the other movements to happen naturally. The reason most hitters loose there balance and have timing issues is due to the focus in the frontal plane.

Initiating the swing in the frontal plane would be incorrect .... And it is a common issue among young hitters.

There is a lateral bend on the lead side, followed by a lateral bend on the rear side (along with the arching of the lower back on the rear side ... Lordosis). This doesn't happen for all hitters and is a teach for many.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Simple inference made by you.

An event occuring DURING another event infers the former event is caused or happens after the latter event.

An event that NATURALLY LEADS to another event infers clearly that the former event causes or sets up the latter event.

Either way - FBC is associated with the rear leg being in charge and is not a sagittal action so really any mention trying to blend lateral bend with FBC is not compatible. Meaning that if your goal is to FBC you will bypass something in the spinal/core/sagittal model.

FbC and lead side lateral bend are 100% compatible.

 

[TDS]

FbC and lead side lateral bend are 100% compatible.

Correct within your movement pattern.. The core movement pattern some of are speaking of isn't compatible with FBC.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

FbC and lead side lateral bend are 100% compatible.

Correct within your movement pattern.. The core movement pattern some of are speaking of isn't compatible with FBC.

It worked well for Ted and many others.

The forward lead side lateral bend enriches the gathering of energy associated with FbC ... It enriches the FbC.

If you are recommending a core usage which destroys FbC then I'd rethink that. That is not what Kelvin is promoting.

 

[Buttermaker]

FbC and lead side lateral bend are 100% compatible.

We are speaking of 2 different things - I am saying if your goal is to FbC then it is not compatible because you will bypass the initial core movements. I also said that FbC will happen as a result.

 

[TDS]

Stick, sorry for how confusing this may be.. If FBC rear leg/hip movement pattern is what you're after I will bow out.. Hitting is hard enough the way it is without trying to mix/match movement patterns that aren't compatible..

 

[Buttermaker]

It's pretty clear you are still trying to get a handle on the core/splane/spinal actions. We all have to walk before we run. Kelvin has been writing these articles for quite a while and is still developing his ideas. You just say LPT and LB and FbC and have it figured out just like Ted did?

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

FbC and lead side lateral bend are 100% compatible.

We are speaking of 2 different things - I am saying if your goal is to FbC then it is not compatible because you will bypass the initial core movements. I also said that FbC will happen as a result.

Good, because forward leadside lateral bend is 100% compatible with FbC.

The notion of the rear leg being in charge is that the rear leg is weighted and that this forward leadside lateral bend and FbC should not have the hitter thinking of their rear leg beyond the initial timing of the pitcher to weight the rear leg "slow and early".

When folks say that the rear leg is in charge of the lower body they mean that it is not a conscious act, that they can forget about their rear leg and allow it to support the upper body actions.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Stick, sorry for how confusing this may be.. If FBC rear leg/hip movement pattern is what you're after I will bow out.. Hitting is hard enough the way it is without trying to mix/match movement patterns that aren't compatible..

Seems like your game here is to pretend that we are discussing two different movement patterns, which is not the case.

Kelvin is not attempting to describe a different movement pattern, he is attempting to better describe a high level movement pattern.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

It's pretty clear you are still trying to get a handle on the core/splane/spinal actions. We all have to walk before we run. Kelvin has been writing these articles for quite a while and is still developing his ideas. You just say LPT and LB and FbC and have it figured out just like Ted did?

Butter, what I had been trying to get a handle on was the cloud of mystery that some have attempted to stir up by pretending they were advocating a different movement pattern.