10 yo - I think she has figured it out !!!

[FiveFrameSwing]

Look , Who cares what you want? I asked for your opinion on some female hitters , you don't care to give one. Ok fine. No problem. I will just ask somebody else their opinion.

I tend to lean towards helping people that direct a reasonable effort towards helping themselves.

Your answer of "Havent looked for it" suggests that you don't value the answer to your own question ... so you can see why my interest level isn't high.

 

[CycloneSoftball22]

I tend to lean towards helping people that direct a reasonable effort in helping themselves.

Your answer of "Havent looked for it" suggests that you don't value the answer to your own question ... so you can see why my interest level isn't high.

Yep. You are way too important and busy to answer a general passing question.

 

[CoogansBluff]

Yes, I can elaborate more on this ... but first, did you read the link that I included? Did the description of the multiple phases of the first 'push' in the first 'push' of PBP make sense to you?

Yes, did read it. ... What I took from it, as it relates to the 10-year-old's swing, is that she is employing a basic push or weight shift forward that may provide good power off a tee or fat pitch, but a swing that lacks more advanced features that are found in a high-level swing - specifically coil/uncoil and stretch-and-fire. So I guess my question might be whether those are the key missing features.

 

[jbooth]

Beautiful swing for a 10-year-old, IMO. ..

Question for the gurus - Could the swing use a little stretch & fire? I don't see much separation from hands and hips.

Her hips are leading. They could lead a little more I suppose.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Yes, did read it. ... What I took from it, as it relates to the 10-year-old's swing, is that she is employing a basic push or weight shift forward that may provide good power off a tee or fat pitch, but a swing that lacks more advanced features that are found in a high-level swing - specifically coil/uncoil and stretch-and-fire. So I guess my question might be whether those are the key missing features.

Thank you.

In the model of Push-Block-PushBack, the 'push' has multiple phases. The effort level of the push should be highest towards the end of the 'push'. This girl maximizes the effort level earlier, and in doing so she reduces her potential timing window.

By out front, I simply mean that her swing is not 'deep'. She appears to have a mindset of going out to get the ball "out front".

 

[jbooth]

The comment was "this is not the ideal swing". There was no reference made to 'age'.

This swing here will not scale well. The effort of what to maximize was distorted, and it will cost her in terms of accuracy (in terms of well squared balls). As she faces better and better pitching it will become more obvious ... which is what is meant when someone says the swing, as it stands here, will not scale well.

I don't agree. As you know, there are styles of swings even among MLB hitters.

I see her swing similar to a Willie Mays or Mickey Mantle. ie Long stride, big pushes.

I do agree that in fastpitch, one might want to have a little shorter stride. But, even with a no-stride, you need a hard push as Pujols gets. I think her Dad is using the bar in front, to get her to learn to push. I'm going to try using that myself.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I'm fine with either a stride or no-stride approach. I'm not fine with sprinting off the back-side as a means of powering the stride. I believe Dixon had things more correct when he described the push forward in phases and not as one single event of jumping forward. With either a stride, or no-stride approach, one can initially move their COM forward while still maintaining a controlled load ... and I believe both Mantle and Mays did so. The ability to continue loading, while moving forward, is hugely helpful in terms of enhancing the timing window.

 

[batdragon]

I'm fine with either a stride or no-stride approach. I'm not fine with sprinting off the back-side as a means of powering the stride. I believe Dixon had things more correct when he described the push forward in phases and not as one single event of jumping forward. With either a stride, or no-stride approach, one can initially move their COM forward while still maintaining a controlled load ... and I believe both Mantle and Mays did so. The ability to continue loading, while moving forward, is hugely helpful in terms of enhancing the timing window.

She is not jumping or pushing forward off her back foot. She is lifting her front foot and "falling" forward during her stride. The "bar" on the ground is there just to increase her stride length a little bit. It is not a drill. I wanted her to stride a little further than what she was doing to allow her hips to rotate easier. If she was "jumping" both of her feet would be off the ground at the same time.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

One of the biggest errors I see is with the forcing of a stride rather than teaching a hitter to allow the stride to be a result of how they load their rear leg. I certainly wish you luck with this.

 

[batdragon]

When her front foot lands her hips are open and her shoulders are closed so she is coiled and creating a great amount of torque between her upper and lower body. Then she leads with the hips and uncoils resulting in a powerful swing.

She seems that her upperbody is coiled somewhat prior to her stride and then as she strides her hips open up and then that coiling of the upper body is stretched and then released during the swing.

What I believe some of you are saying is that she needs to both coil her upperbody and load her back hip during her stride and not prior to her stride. This most likely will create a more elastic type of energy between the upper and lower half.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thx,
Batdragon