strikeouts or putting the ball in play--the mental appraoch

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Aug 8, 2008
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CoachFP, I agree that the answer changes from batter to batter, etc., particularly what pitch is working that day.

I have not been on the mound in a long, long time and very little then. But, I understand your point about experience. I have been calling pitches and working with pitchers and catchers for about ten years now. It does become second nature after awhile. That is true of any endeavor as one gains expertise.

The problem is transferring that expertise (not claiming to be an expert here, it’s just a general term). As one begins to know what to do they lose the conscious thought process that they once had in gaining experience. What happens is an expert develops triggers or cues that allow the process to run in the background. In hitting, hands to the ball is a good example. The cue works for THE hitter because he engages his body in a certain way that produces positive results. His experience allows him to trigger a positive response without think through all the details. When he tells someone the cue that works for him that person doesn’t have the same experience and can interpret it to mean almost anything with wildly different results.

I have begun to encourage our catchers to call pitches – initially in scrimmages, pool games, etc. I realized that we needed a framework to discuss various situations and outcomes. I knew that situation X called for a drop outside, but I was going to have to tell the catcher WHY when they called something else and it produced a ripped double. All my pitchers and catchers know that I hate giving up hits on 0-2 and 1-2 counts. But, I realized there are two problems with a 0-2 or 1-2 pitches should NOT be FAT strategy.

1. If a pitcher is thinking, “I can’t throw anything fat”, they may do just that. The reason is the brain cannot process can’t and don’t into an action. Studies have shown that the brain will drop those words and the thought manifests itself as, “Throw something fat”. I have seen it happen on too many occasions not to believe it.
2. The pitcher thinks, “I have to throw something out of the strike zone”. And promptly throws a wild pitch.

While these are the extremes, what happens most often is a waste pitch, or more to the point a wasted pitch - a pitch that has no effect on the batter, or worse moves the batters attention right to the spot for the next pitch or moves the batters attention to a neutral position. This is where the four pitch mentality comes into play. Pitch 3 in a 0-2 count will typically be off the plate but not wasted. It needs to be close enough to produce a reaction in the batter. Why throw a pitch that has no purpose? What does a pitch way out of the strike zone do for the pitcher’s AND catcher’s state of mind? What did it do to the batter? A waste pitch will always cause you to lose some control over the situation. And you will always throw the next pitch at a disadvantage. So, why waste a pitch! Why throw 5 pitches when 4 will do? If we are confident we have the batters attention where we want it after two pitches lets get ‘em on the third pitch.

The other aspect of this framework is ball flight, but this post is already too long to go into it. I am trying to teach these ideas inside a four pitch mentality framework so that our pitchers and catchers know what to do.
 
May 4, 2009
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Waste pitches are just that, a waste of effort. If you can throw good strikes on the first two pitches you should be able to throw one on 0-2. Going for a little off the plate and a little below the knees or above the letters on 0-2 should be reserved for pitchers that have that kind of control. Sometimes we get angry at a pitcher giving up a hit on 0-2 but they can't help it because their control isn't good enough to pitch a little out of the zone.
 
Mar 2, 2009
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Suffolk, VA
Waste pitches are just that, a waste of effort. If you can throw good strikes on the first two pitches you should be able to throw one on 0-2. Going for a little off the plate and a little below the knees or above the letters on 0-2 should be reserved for pitchers that have that kind of control. Sometimes we get angry at a pitcher giving up a hit on 0-2 but they can't help it because their control isn't good enough to pitch a little out of the zone.


Have to disagree here and speaking from experience. From 12U days till today, my strategy for my pitchers/catchers has been the same. "Its a SIN to give up a hit on 0-2/1-2." I want them believing that and its absolutely NOT a waste to throw a 0-2/1-2 pitch off the plate. Again, if teh batter chases it, good! If the batter takes it and we get the call strike - great!, if she takes it and its a ball, so what? It changes her perception of strikezone. (Tight, low-in may make the low-away pitch look like a ball to her.)
I could imagine 10U pitchers haveing control problems for hitting location like that, and OBVIOUSLY less experienced 12U/14U pitchers will miss location, but RARLEY have I seen wild pitches on this count. CONVERSLY, I HAVE SEEN MANY TIMES where pitches thrown for strikes that have been hit as teh batter is ready and protecting.
 
Feb 8, 2009
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Have to disagree here and speaking from experience. From 12U days till today, my strategy for my pitchers/catchers has been the same. "Its a SIN to give up a hit on 0-2/1-2." I want them believing that and its absolutely NOT a waste to throw a 0-2/1-2 pitch off the plate. Again, if teh batter chases it, good! If the batter takes it and we get the call strike - great!, if she takes it and its a ball, so what? It changes her perception of strikezone. (Tight, low-in may make the low-away pitch look like a ball to her.)
I could imagine 10U pitchers haveing control problems for hitting location like that, and OBVIOUSLY less experienced 12U/14U pitchers will miss location, but RARLEY have I seen wild pitches on this count. CONVERSLY, I HAVE SEEN MANY TIMES where pitches thrown for strikes that have been hit as teh batter is ready and protecting.

I couldn't agree more. Nothing makes me madder than getting beat when you're way up in the count. Against good teams there is always one girl you want to stay away from. Waste pitches are not a waste.
 
May 12, 2008
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Depends on the waste pitch. A curve headed for the white that ends up in the other batter's box is great. Fastball in the other batter's box doesn't do much for me.
 
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Let your D back you up!

As 12U a pitcher, this is my stance:
Your mentality is to throw hard, and throw strikes. However, you don't need to do it on your own. If you have a solid defense, you have nothing to worry about if they do hit the ball. You should always try to throw hard, but most of the time, you can't do it on your own. Let your defense help you. You are the one working hard!!!
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May 4, 2009
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I couldn't agree more. Nothing makes me madder than getting beat when you're way up in the count. Against good teams there is always one girl you want to stay away from. Waste pitches are not a waste.

Why waste a pitch? Pitching a little out of the zone is a very good strategy. A waste pitch to me is a pitch that has no chance of being swung at.
 

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Aug 8, 2008
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My point has always been that every pitch should serve a purpose especially those off the plate. Mark H. hit the nail on the head, “A curve headed for the white that ends up in the other batter's box is great. Fastball in the other batter's box doesn't do much for me”. I couldn’t agree more.

That is why I believe ball flight is every bit as important as location in manipulating a batter and why a waste pitch is a wasted pitch. More often than not a pitcher will throw a ball on a 0-2, or 1-2 count. The problem is that many times that pitch was a ball out of the hand. For example, a curve that leaves the hand on an angle that is already off the plate and moves further off the plate. Such a pitch has no effect on the batters perception of the strike zone. It is a wasted pitch. Studies have shown that 10 year olds can identify the direction of a pitch within several feet of it leaving the pitchers hand.

A perfect example of this is how A-Rod beat the Angles on Sunday. The Angels plan was clearly to pitch him inside. His first at bat started with a good pitch inside. Second pitch almost the same but in the zone, A-Rod singles. Second at bat, same as the first, he just missed the pitch in the zone and ends up walking. Third at bat, bases loaded, same as the last two, he walks in what turned out to be the winning run. In the three at bats I believe he saw 3 pitches that weren’t inside and all 3 were well off the plate – wasted. He clearly demonstrated that he was focused on the inside and knew the strike zone. The Angles did nothing to move his attention.

Why do pro players swing at pitches over their head and in the dirt? Why do they look at pitches piped down the middle? Why do they screw themselves into the ground on a pitch well off the plate? Excluding first pitches, 3-0, and 0-2 counts – just pitches in the heart of an at bat – this happens on a fairly regular basis, why? Did the pitcher get lucky on a missed pitch? Or is their some other reason? I contend that it has as much to do with the flight path of the ball, and that of the previous pitch, etc., as it does with speed and/or location.
 
Mar 2, 2009
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ok, so seems like once discussed, and we clarify what we are talking about, we all agree. I whole heartedly agree. there is NO POINT throwing a pitch so far off the plate, the batter might not swing at. Should look like something she has to swing at to protect, but pull away from the plate. I clearly wouldn't want a ball 10-12 inches off the plate, as there's NO chance the batter swings and NO Chance for Blue to call it a strike. That is truly a wasted pitch.
 

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