DD Bat Drag ?

[FiveFrameSwing]

Lead with the hips instead of the hands/shoulders and that will help also. When the hips clear the hands can come through instead of around.

Valid point. Often I like to see head-on soft-toss following a drill like this.

Some points get lost in a thread of this size. Just re-posting an earlier post that described this during work in hitting balls deep in the zone.

Yes, I think it helps with getting the hands active earlier and it helps to create a good hand path from inside. The top hand should chase the flight of the ball, palm up after contact. With the tee that deep, there will be less rotation of the body. So the hands will have to be recruited.

Once we start to create active hands and a good path, the body will start working to support that that new feel. My shoulders and legs do not need my hands to aid them in turning. The hands being the weakest part of the swing will need the help of the body to get the barrel moving in a good path. As the barrel starts it's path the rest of the body will adjust to balance out the system and will try to get in the best position possible to throw the barrel.

IMO, that is why the shoulders tilt. They do not tilt and then turn. It is a blended move. It is the bodies way of keeping the rear shoulder with the hands to stay balanced and in a strong position to throw. That is why on lower pitches they tilt more because the hands have to move down lower to get the barrel to the ball. Higher pitches less tilt. If a hitter just learns to force tilt and turn. The tilt will control where the hands go. The hands should control the degree of tilt.

Is there more that goes into the tilt? Yes. The rear hip has to get out of the way.

I think that Cecil Fielder said, "hitting is getting the body out of the way so the hands can work". Perfect cue. Now just learn the proper hand path so the body knows where to go.

 

[tom.guerry]

evidence from lynn blake/TGM is that feel is consistent:

Of course you can feel them! They are each part of that set of 'structurallyfixed geometry and physics' (Chapter 14) we call Golf Stroke Mechanics.Over time, each Mechanic should be translated into own describablesensation -- the player's Feel Equivalent of the Mechanic! Mechanicsproduce Feel, then Feel reproduces Mechanics. This is the basic Translationprocess of 1-J and 3-B. 

Pivot Lag and Accumulator Lag are readily visible on video. Andyou may be able to see Clubhead Lag, particularly in stop action. But,the 'real deal' comes when you've learned to Load a heavyClubhead Lag against the No. 3 Pressure Point and then Drive it throughImpact. At that point, when you see the tour star move through the Ball,you'll know what he's Feeling. And what he Feels is the same aswhat you Feel... 

The indescribably delicious Power and Control of the The Clubhead Lag!


You want a Hand Controlled Pivot? Follow the course I've prescribed. Translatecorrect Mechanics one-by-one into Describable Sensations. Integrate them intoyour Total Motion. Along the way, nail the Hands (Chapters 4 and 5). They willbe constrained by a poorly constructed Machine, but even then they can make thebest of it. But with a well-constructed Machine, their "yoke is easy andtheir burden is light."

One general.

Twenty-four responsive and well-trained troops.

Victory.

But in our Star System, these are distinct Mechanics that we have names for and that produce Describable Sensations that can be Translated into Indentifiable Feels (1-J and 3-0/A/B) one-by-one. And once Translated and integrated into your Basic Stroke Pattern (12-1-0 or 12-2-0) they become your 'Open Sesame' to a lifetime of better Golf.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Side toss is a really hard drill for a player to excel at with a history of leading with the elbow....trying to hit a ball that is dropping rapidly from a side tossed position will make the player think she needs to drop the barrel quickly to make contact...

Personally, I'm not a fan of side-toss ... and generally only use it in a pinch.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

ugh....really ??? ... confused and frustrated... back to the tee... I guess..

Look at the barrel path ..... go back to turning the barrel.

 

[batdragon]

Look at the barrel path ..... go back to turning the barrel.

I noticed the big difference between her tee swing and soft toss swing is that she keeps her bat vertical when hitting off a tee, with the bat staying in front of her head (barrel tipped towards 2b position). On soft toss she tries to flatten out earlier and does not keep the bat vertical. It could be because of soft-toss. hmmm....

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I noticed the big difference between her tee swing and soft toss swing is that she keeps her bat vertical when hitting off a tee, with the bat staying in front of her head (barryl tipped towards 2b position). On soft toss she tries to flatten out earlier and does not keep the bat vertical. It could be because of soft-toss. hmmm....

"Side soft-toss" like you are demonstrating here, or "head-on soft-toss"?

 

[batdragon]

"Side soft-toss" like you are demonstrating here, or "head-on soft-toss"?

Yes, side soft-toss.

 

[batdragon]

Yes, side soft-toss.

It actually looks like her swing, when she does epsteins deltoid drill. The bat comes directly from her shoulder (behind head) and to POC.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Yes, side soft-toss.

Well ... I believe "side soft-toss" induces issues.

If I must perform "side soft-toss" I'll do it at more of a 45-degree angle, like Casey was demonstrating in the earlier GIF posted. Even then ... I much prefer "head-on soft toss".

Understand what HYP was attempting to direct. He wanted the tee set up deep to induce the hands to turn the barrel earlier ... here it is 'later'. HYP was attempting to deepen her swing path.

The drill is sometimes referred to as AO ... or "Attacking Oppo". You set the tee back towards your rear hip, and attempt to hit to RF or along the first-base line. What I believe HYP wanted to see was the turning of the barrel action earlier ... and as you can see here, it is later.

 

[softballphreak]

If she doesn't lead with her bottom half it will be very difficult to get the barrel around without bat drag. I like the Cecil Fielder quote mentioned above: "hitting is getting the body out of the way so the hands can work".

You train from the bottom up. If you skip sequences there is no telling what you may get.