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[Buttermaker]

Ride the back leg works but that would not be sagittal action - you need the left side of your lower body (left hip) to truly swing sagittally (new word!). Riding the back leg is still frontal action.

Oh and before anyone gets their panties in a bunch - this doesn't mean the front foot is on the ground - a great amount of the swing is done with the front foot off the ground, but the front hip is engaged and not just acted upon.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

He's describing the swing as being in the sagittal plane and riding the back leg.

 

[rdbass]

Howe/Chap has giving me some help:

I would have you practice what Babe is doing. Start out with a narrow stance, rear foot turned away and front foot aligned to that. Learn to move the middle and hold the hands and knee back. By keeping the hands back, you'll get your wanted scap move. By keeping the knee back, the rear hip is going to actually do what it's supposed to do. I'm talking about spacial awareness. I'm not talking about taking things back or clamping this/that. You lose natural athleticism when you do that. And remember, you have a front side too.... That's your simple explanation.

Staying back and stretching it forward. Big difference from pulling back and moving everything forward.

 

[coach james]

Just watched a few of Stones videos.... makes a lot of sense. I liked most of what I heard.

 

[Eric F]

Just watched a few of Stones videos.... makes a lot of sense. I liked most of what I heard.

Stone has a lot of stuff that is pretty good (IMO), and he presents it well.

 

[rdbass]

A lot of the stuff discussed and covered on this site....minus the arguements.

 

[FP26]

butter / tds - Do you consider this swinging "sagitally"? I like your new word Is Babe riding his rear leg?

 

[TDS]

butter / tds - Do you consider this swinging "sagitally"? I like your new word Is Babe riding his rear leg?

FP26, yes Babe is moving out and swinging sagittaly. the weight of the barrel helps him move out while working it in the s-plane. Back in the day some would call this move out "tall and fall"..

 

[FP26]

FP26, yes Babe is moving out and swinging sagittaly. the weight of the barrel helps him move out while working it in the s-plane. Back in the day some would call this move out "tall and fall"..

I agree. The barrel, etc. is assisting with the dynamic balance during the move out. But, I would contend that this can also be "riding the rear leg". "Riding the rear leg" can mean different things if you look at it figuratively or literally. It's all in how you interpret it. There are various "styles" that can be used while remaining sagittal with the overall motion.

 

[Buttermaker]

I haven't seen anyone that talks about riding the back leg do it like Babe. Everyone who does it ends up literally riding the back leg from catcher to pitcher. They miss the sagittal piece completely.