Illegal Pitch Question

[DB1]

12U Game, runner on third two outs. Our pitcher starts her motion and for some reason stops her delivery and starts over. Umps call IP, and calls the ball but doesn't reward the runner on third home. Pitcher throws the next pitch for a strike and the base ump stops the play after the next pitch and awards the runner home due to the earlier IP. The question is, is there a time when they can't go back and correct the wrong call? What would have happened if the batter had swung and made the third out? This is in a semi-final game of a tourney. It didn't affect the outcome of the game, but what is the correct way to handle this situation in the future, besides getting the call right the first time. The umpire, when questioned after the game, said that it was a "correctable" situation and not an "appeal" situation. The difference being that the correctable situation is done when they were aware of the wrong call. If it was an appeal situation, the appeal period would have been over after the next pitch.

Thanks!

 

[starsnuffer]

Know the rules. The umpire made the correct call, however he awarded the incorrect penalty. You should have appealed at that point and discussed the rules with the umpires. Beyond that you could bring it to the UIC and or protest the game if they still got it wrong. If you wait for the next pitch though, it's too late.

-W

 

[plumbersean]

Once the next pitch is thrown, there is no more call or penalty to be made on the last pitch. That is why you must know the rules, if you see something you do not like, you have to make your protest then.

 

[LAdad]

Know the rules. The umpire made the correct call, however he awarded the incorrect penalty. You should have appealed at that point and discussed the rules with the umpires. Beyond that you could bring it to the UIC and or protest the game if they still got it wrong. If you wait for the next pitch though, it's too late.
-W

The OP's team was at the receiving side of the penalty. Why would he have protested earlier? His question is obviously whether there was a way to avoid the penalty when the ump didn't award it at the proper time and the opposing team did not protest at the proper time. I had never heard of a "correctable call" before, but it is hard to argue that it was unfair.

 

[DB1]

LAdad has it exactly right. I didn't want to bring it to their attention and did protest after the subsequent pitch when they awarded the runner on third home. What I am unsure of is can they go back and correct it after one pitch, two pitches, etc. The call was absolutely the right call, not arguing against the call, just the timing of the call.

 

[Ajaywill]

You're not going to find anything specific in the rules about this situation. It's not an appeal play as defined in the book. On an appeal play, there is a definite time limit in which the appeal can be made, ie before the next pitch, defense leaving the field, etc.

For this particular play, yes the umpires blew it by not enforcing the correct penalty when the rule was violated, but to correct it after the next pitch when nothing had changed is fine. The crew probably should have called both coaches out and explained what they were going to do to correct the error. If the next pitch had been thrown and the situation changed, like the batter striking out or putting the ball in play, etc., I would say at that point it is too late to correct the error and you live with the screwup.