Illegal pitch/batter hit ball

[Slappers]

I have two different scenarios that have happened recently on illegal pitches put into play.

Scenario 1:

Blue calls illegal pitch. The batter hits a grounder on the thrown illegal pitch. Defense stops play on the ball because of the illegal pitch call. Batter makes it to first and is allowed to stay on first.

Scenario 2:

Illegal pitch called and there are runners on 1 and 2. Batter flies out to SS.

After hearing both of these calls explained, it is my understanding that a team can choose which call to take. Either you take the actions of the ball put in play, or batter takes a ball and runners move up a base.

In scenario 2, the batter was ruled out on the fly but the runners were allowed to advance a base.

Is an illegal pitch treated as a free pitch in the sense that if a batter gets a hit then they can stay on base or is it a ball regardless of what happens?

Secondly, if the batter was out in scenario 2, why were the runners allowed to advance a base?

 

[James Smith]

If the batter hits the illegal pitch and all the runners advance at least one base, and the batter-runner is safe, the play stands. No options for the offense.

Otherwise the offense can either take the result of the play or enforce the rule for an illegal pitch. Runners advance a base, ball to the batter.

 

[Comp]

In ASA at least, if the batter hits an illegal pitch and gets on base safely and any other runners on base all advance at least 1 base safely the IP is ignored. Otherwise the offensive coach has the option of the result of the play or the IP penalty, return the batter to bat, add a ball to the count and advance any runners 1 base.

In your scenario 1 the defens should have kept playing. The IP call is a delayed dead ball, the ball is still live. The batter/runner reached base safely, and if there were no other runners on base the IP would be ignored. If there has been other runners on base and they didnt advance the coach would have the option of the at bat or the IP penalty as stated above.

In scenario 2, the umpire did not rule correctly if they called the batter out on the play.

 

[James Smith]

A good example is if there is a runner on 2nd and the batter hits a single. The runner on 2nd is thrown out at home. The play stands. The offense cannot have a do over because the runner advanced a base safely.

Another good example is if the batter-runner tries to stretch a single into a double and is thrown out at 2nd. Play stands because the batter-runner reached 1st safely.

 

[FPump]

I have two different scenarios that have happened recently on illegal pitches put into play.

Scenario 1:

Blue calls illegal pitch. The batter hits a grounder on the thrown illegal pitch. Defense stops play on the ball because of the illegal pitch call. Batter makes it to first and is allowed to stay on first.

Scenario 2:

Illegal pitch called and there are runners on 1 and 2. Batter flies out to SS.

After hearing both of these calls explained, it is my understanding that a team can choose which call to take. Either you take the actions of the ball put in play, or batter takes a ball and runners move up a base.

In scenario 2, the batter was ruled out on the fly but the runners were allowed to advance a base.

Is an illegal pitch treated as a free pitch in the sense that if a batter gets a hit then they can stay on base or is it a ball regardless of what happens?

Secondly, if the batter was out in scenario 2, why were the runners allowed to advance a base?

Scenario 1: CORRECT RULING
Scenario 2: INCORRECT RULING
The correct ruling is the batter returns to batters box with a BALL added to her count and the runners advance one base, in this sitch...to 2nd and 3rd base.

 

[Slappers]

I guess my question is do they have a choice or is it once the batter reaches 1st safely, then the play stands?

 

[James Smith]

No choice if all the runners advance at least one base, and the batter-runner is safe, the play stands.

 

[Slappers]

Gotcha. Just trying to figure out why the coaches were ok with what happened in scenario 2.

 

[James Smith]

Umpire messed up in Senario 2, what happened was not an option.

The batter should have been returned to the plate with a ball added to the count and the base runners advanced a base.

Coaches need to know the rules but in this case the umpire messed up too.

 

[SoCal_Dad]

No choice if all the runners advance at least one base, and the batter-runner is safe, the play stands.

As you previously posted, the criteria is whether the B-R reaches 1B safely.