How open should the shoulders get in pitching delivery ??

[javasource]

With, or without the wall drill?

Facing the wall... in 'Stork' position. lol

 

[Ken B]

Dang friggin character requirements....

 

[Ken B]

I like your consideration... and I believe the arm will take the path it is on. Which is why I do believe that you train so that it (the ball) can see the target... because this is biomechanically correct.... and creates the neuromuscular memory/strategies necessary to keep the arm in a position that is best for that athlete even when the torso is influencing it.

That probably reads poorly...

How about this... if you trained abduction of the shoulder in drill... I believe the horizontal abduction that occurs because of the torso being ahead in a FULL pitch.. would make the movement hyper-abduction. Like 1 + 1 = 2. Transverse hyper-abduction is a bad thing... IMO.

Or how about this... train it neutral... so that the result is +1! Yeah, that's it!

Regarding your 'natural loose path'... during the posting stage of pitching... the shoulder muscles... like the scap stabilizers are HIGHLY active, so I'm not sure that a full pitch really has 'loose' happening.... but I think I get what you are saying.

Good stuff.

So glad that I've figgerd out how to look up tha big werds on the internets. I 'bout wornd out my Websters on those IR threads...


Seriously, I either need to set up a Javasource PacNW Tour or you need to move out here... Same sentiments for John....... BoardMember, Pauly, Balswick, et alia...

 

[Doug Romrell]

In a full pitch, however... I am aware that many pitchers have a moment or phase where the ball is not visible... but I think that has more to do with the rotational necessity involved in a full pitch... and the fact that the EXTREMITY will lag behind the PROXIMAL structures, because that's just the 'nature' of things. To me, this is a result... not a 'trained move'.

I love this too!!! Javasource, Your insight never ceases to feed me!

And, forget a PacNW tour, it should be a Rocky Mountain states tour! Around here, home-runs end up in the tops of the snow-topped mountains, making watching them quite a sight indeed.

 

[javasource]

I would absolutely jump on that opportunity. I could actually extend that trip a bit... as my brother still lives out there, and it would be a blast to spend some time with him, too.

 

[Doug Romrell]

I would absolutely jump on that opportunity. I could actually extend that trip a bit... as my brother still lives out there, and it would be a blast to spend some time with him, too.

If you're talking to me (regarding where your brother lives), isn't your brother long overdue a visit from you?????

If you weren't talking to me, your brother needs to move to Utah!!! LOL!

 

[Ken B]

Sorry Doug... Pretty sure the bro iz in my neck-o-the-woods...



Gotta say though, SW Utah is a dream trip of mine...

 

[Doug Romrell]

SW Utah is a dream trip of mine...

Me too, especially when it's 15-degrees below zero here in northern Utah in January.

 

[Ken B]

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[Ken B]

Regarding your 'natural loose path'... during the posting stage of pitching... the shoulder muscles... like the scap stabilizers are HIGHLY active, so I'm not sure that a full pitch really has 'loose' happening.... but I think I get what you are saying.

Herein lies examples of:
-The Art vs The Science.
-What feels right and what actually happens.
-The cues vs. the reality...

Good stuff, indeed!