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DD Bat Drag ?
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So, you think there should be radial deviation as the first move? Or are you just coming over the top to show how smart you are? Or course, there is some radial deviation...it's a blended articulation as Utley is showing, but it is not a RD that drops the barrel because no other articulations are present....
You said there was RD. I said there was SOME. In fact, IMO, there is VERY LITTLE, if any. The barrel flattens mostly due to the change in elbow positions, it goes initially goes rearward mainly due to shoulder lateral tilt combined also with the elbow drop. It then arcs when you throw the barrel.
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No, I said there was RD in the other hitters swing - not in Utley's (or very little as part of the overall movement).
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I really think our disagreement is over which muscles/bones to focus on using first....I find it easier to teach a player to use the smaller muscles/bones (hands/wrists/forearms,feet,ankles,knees) to create movement while it appears you focus on the bigger muscles and bones to create movement (hips/shoulders/torso,etc).
Am I correct?
Am I correct?
The "Carve" is a separate action from shoulder tilt. How flat does the barrel look when you remove the shoulder tilt from an image of a hitter swinging at a low pitch?
The hand flattening action is a relative constant; the shoulder tilt varies with pitch location. The main point I was trying to make with the GIFs I posted was to show that good hitters flatten the barrel behind, and that the timing of the flattening is a style choice.
When I compared my dd's last recorded live swing, she flattened about 1/2 frame too many compared to Mantle/Williams. That 1/2 frame makes a big difference by the time the barrel gets to contact. As her instructor, it's my job to figure out why she flattened a 1/2 frame too many and then come up with a fix. When I compared her to Mantle, the reason for the difference was clear. The pros use their hands better. The pros do a better job of syncing up the "Carve" with the "Filet". In order to smoothly transition from the "Carve" to the "Filet"....so it is ONE move and not two; you have to go all in with the hands prior to the completion of the hand flattening move/the "Carve". This will vary depending on the handset; but I would estimate that you have to have at least a 1/2 to 1 frame of "Carve" in reserve to make a seamless transition into the "Filet".
When my dd was younger, she did thousands of swings starting with the bat on the deltoid. The system we started with also urged caution about using the hands too much. Starting with the bat on the deltoid and being cautious about using the hands; is a bad combination and creates bad habits IMO. She still managed to drag the bat, even when she started with the bat on the deltoid, because when the bat starts on the deltoid there is no "Carve" in reserve to make the transition into the "Filet". She was doing the equivalent of a fielder taking the ball out of their glove and going right to the "L" position with the ball up behind the head....pausing....and then throwing.
What I decided to tell my dd; is that she needed to throw her hands sooner. To help her along, I had her spend more time throwing a bat through the air with one and two hands.
The hand flattening action is a relative constant; the shoulder tilt varies with pitch location. The main point I was trying to make with the GIFs I posted was to show that good hitters flatten the barrel behind, and that the timing of the flattening is a style choice.
When I compared my dd's last recorded live swing, she flattened about 1/2 frame too many compared to Mantle/Williams. That 1/2 frame makes a big difference by the time the barrel gets to contact. As her instructor, it's my job to figure out why she flattened a 1/2 frame too many and then come up with a fix. When I compared her to Mantle, the reason for the difference was clear. The pros use their hands better. The pros do a better job of syncing up the "Carve" with the "Filet". In order to smoothly transition from the "Carve" to the "Filet"....so it is ONE move and not two; you have to go all in with the hands prior to the completion of the hand flattening move/the "Carve". This will vary depending on the handset; but I would estimate that you have to have at least a 1/2 to 1 frame of "Carve" in reserve to make a seamless transition into the "Filet".
When my dd was younger, she did thousands of swings starting with the bat on the deltoid. The system we started with also urged caution about using the hands too much. Starting with the bat on the deltoid and being cautious about using the hands; is a bad combination and creates bad habits IMO. She still managed to drag the bat, even when she started with the bat on the deltoid, because when the bat starts on the deltoid there is no "Carve" in reserve to make the transition into the "Filet". She was doing the equivalent of a fielder taking the ball out of their glove and going right to the "L" position with the ball up behind the head....pausing....and then throwing.
What I decided to tell my dd; is that she needed to throw her hands sooner. To help her along, I had her spend more time throwing a bat through the air with one and two hands.
