Junk ball pitchers rarely get the chance to compete at highest levels because they are past over early on. Same thing happens in MLB too. Very few knuckle ballers, sidearm slingers or crafty lefties left in the game.
Why do you think that is?
Junk ball pitchers rarely get the chance to compete at highest levels because they are past over early on. Same thing happens in MLB too. Very few knuckle ballers, sidearm slingers or crafty lefties left in the game.
At 43 mph I would consider that the pc is doing this to increase speed and a sense of urgency. It wouldn't be the first time. Downside is that I would bet a bazillion dollars she will never have a quality rise if she learns the curve first.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I don't know why anyone would bring MLB pitching into this conversation. A trip to Baseball Savant will show that pure vertical plane pitches are rare, typically there is always some element of horizontal movement. The baseball arm slot dictates this; both 2 and 4 seam fastballs will break arm side, a curve, which is their version of our drop will typically have some glove side movement, a slider is a drop curve.Why do you think that is?
Now you doI don't know why anyone would bring MLB pitching into this conversation. A trip to Baseball Savant will show that pure vertical plane pitches are rare, typically there is always some element of horizontal movement. The baseball arm slot dictates this; both 2 and 4 seam fastballs will break arm side, a curve, which is their version of our drop will typically have some glove side movement, a slider is a drop curve.
Here is Charlie Morton, known for his curve.
And Trevor Bauer, known for his variety.
At the bottom of each profile are 2 pie charts showing break, on the left is projected break based on spin, on the right is observed/actual break. The chart on the right is more important.
Hilarious!!!Now you do
I think it's quite relevant. A question was asked why someone believed a pitcher that is more of a junk ball pitcher doesn't get to compete at the higher levels. It was noted that MLB seems to have gone away from anyone knuckleballers and any other kind of junkballers. It's not a bad analogy, really. Saying the top level pitchers in both sports aren't using those kind of pitchers. I agree actually.I don't know why anyone would bring MLB pitching into this conversation.
Agreed. Parents of slow pitchers try to frame it as speed v spin. In reality, higher velo equates to harder spin.To me the term "junk ball" pitcher has evolved to simply mean a pitcher with subpar velo.
That's one way to define a junk ball pitcher. You could also say that a junk baller is a pitcher who throws his breaking and off speed pitches more than his fastball and in that case MLB is full of them. Off speed or pitches with horizontal break are more common than 'straight' 4 seam fastballs if you can even say that a 4 seamer is straight. The majority of MLB pitchers throw their 4 seamer less than 50% of the time. You can't use MLB to prove that pitches with horizontal break aren't effective.To me the term "junk ball" pitcher has evolved to simply mean a pitcher with subpar velo.