2 pitchers and creative use of DP/FLEX

[corlay]

Actually meant to make thread title: "3 pitchers..."

scenario:
ASA Rules
3 pitchers on the roster
Playing in HOT summer conditions

May we start the game with one of our P's playing shortstop,
another at P, and the third at DP.

In innings 1,2,3 DP plays in the field for P, in the Pitcher position.
In innings 4,5,6 SS moves to the Pitcher position, DP moves to play for the 3B, and P enters to play for 2B, and 2B moves to play SS position.
In inning 7+, P moves to play Pitcher, SS moves back to SS, 2B, moves back to 2B, DP leaves field and 3B returns to her spot at 3B.

Is this legal?
And is it NOT a substitution anywhere?

Thanks.

 

[GunnerShotgun]

Defensive changes are not subtitiutions. It looks legit to me assuming the Flex always played defense somewhere.

The DP can move freely about from bench to defense as long as she isn't playing for the Flex.

 

[Comp]

All nothing more than defensive position changes. Legal and no substitutions have been made assuming your flex has remained on defense the whole time.

 

[corlay]

Defensive changes are not subtitiutions. It looks legit to me assuming the Flex always played defense somewhere.

The DP can move freely about from bench to defense as long as she isn't playing for the Flex.

Thanks.

Yes FLEX always in field.

Wasn't sure if there were any specific rules regarding the P position having to start game in the circle?

 

[GunnerShotgun]

Thanks.

Yes FLEX always in field.

Wasn't sure if there were any specific rules regarding the P position having to start game in the circle?

Whomever starts in the circle is your pitcher and your lineup card should match. Anything that happens after the lineup card is submitted is a pitching change and must be reported.

So you submit your lineup card and then the umpire asks for changes if any. If the pitcher starting the first inning is not the pitcher of record there can be consequences.

 

[Ajaywill]

Whomever starts in the circle is your pitcher and your lineup card should match. Anything that happens after the lineup card is submitted is a pitching change and must be reported.

So you submit your lineup card and then the umpire asks for changes if any. If the pitcher starting the first inning is not the pitcher of record there can be consequences.

Per ASA rules, there is no requirement to report a pitching change that is not a substitution....ie, a defensive position change.
The only potential consequence is that the umpire may not allow you a courtesy runner in the bottom of the first for the player that actually pitched in the top of the first if the umpire did not pick up the change himself or it was not mentioned to him.

 

[GunnerShotgun]

I haven't ever seen a pitching change not reported but interesting that you don't have to do so.

 

[spleen1015]

My only question is, doesn't the player listed as the P on the lineup card you turn in to the ump have to start the game, throw at least 1 pitch?

 

[Comp]

My only question is, doesn't the player listed as the P on the lineup card you turn in to the ump have to start the game, throw at least 1 pitch?

After exchanging lineup cards and having them accepted, the coach would simply inform the umpire the DP will be playing defense for the pitcher. For courtesy runner privilege purposes, in the top of the first inning the players listed as the pitcher and catcher are the ones eligible for courtesy runners. Technically if a courtesy runner is used in the top of the 1st, those players are suppose to face at least the first batter, but most rule sets do not address a penalty if they do not. NFHS does address it and unless an injury occurs those 2 players must face the first batter for at least one pitch if they utilized a courtesy runner. If they do not, it is considered an illegal substitution. Other than that, there is no requirement the pitcher and catcher face the first batter simply because they were listed on the lineup card as pitcher and catcher.

 

[llc982]

After exchanging lineup cards and having them accepted, the coach would simply inform the umpire the DP will be playing defense for the pitcher.

Could someone explain to the newbie here why you would want to do this? I'm having a hard time following the logic. Thanks!