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Merrill Danner

Relax and breathe!
Sep 26, 2012
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74441 - Oklahoma
I'll add my two-cents worth, my focus is on the arm. The battle cry of this forum is IR, the rotation of the forearm. The initial pivot point is the shoulder, as the arm rotates through the back (past nine o'clock) the upper arm will stabilize against the rib cage and rotate the forearm. Your DD arm never establishes a secondary (and much faster) pivot point around the elbow. I've built a clip focusing on that slight pause of the upper arm against the rib cage and mixed in a clip from your daughter for comparison. It's subtle but very important for whip."


That is a great teaching video - MD- thank you for sharing your DDs video- and WillyT thank YOU for building this.

MD you may also consider watching Rich Balswick videos that he has posted on arm whip

Videos | Balswick Fastpitch

Thank you very much for taking the time to watch the video, it is greatly appreciated.
 
Jun 18, 2010
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Can you explain overlap?

Most terms i am familiar, but not sure about this.


thank you for you help.


From working with Javasource:

the hips drive because of the overlapping motions... the forward momentum pulls against the backswing... straightening the hips.

She doesn't have forward momentum pulling against her backswing.... the "overlap".

You want the feeling that as the arm is going back during the back swing, the body is trying to pull it forward as the torso drives toward the catcher.

Why is there a weight transfer from Drive Foot to Stride Foot to Drive Foot? To get a running start. Again from JS:
you go back to go forward.
She gets stuck back and looses her running start.

Your DD needs to establish forward momentum sooner. Again, just my opinion, but she never fully recovers from the dramatic bend in the waist.
 
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Merrill Danner

Relax and breathe!
Sep 26, 2012
130
16
74441 - Oklahoma
From working with Javasource:



She doesn't have forward momentum pulling against her backswing.... the "overlap".

You want the feeling that as the arm is going back during the back swing, the body is trying to pull it forward as the torso drives toward the catcher.

Why is there a weight transfer from front Drive Foot to Stride Foot to Drive Foot? To get a running start. Again from JS: She gets stuck back and looses her running start.

Your DD needs to establish forward momentum sooner. Again, just my opinion, but she never fully recovers from the dramatic bend in the waist.



Yes i understand and have seen that in her from time to time.

we were watchin, either Amanda or Cat and noticed she started to drive forward soon after she started her back swing, almost as it passes her knee on the reverse portion of the back swing.

while trying to incorporate it that my daughter said she was surprised at how fast her arm accelerated by doing this.

Waist bend thank for that, i have asked her to minimize it, but we end not noticing it is creeping back in there.

Thank you very much your assistance is highly appreciated.
 
Jun 14, 2011
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Field of Dreams
I think she looks better and certainly in the first pitch, I thought the ball stayed in good position facing up as her arm came down the back side of the circle- in the second, i think she rotated the ball a bit early so that she ended up pushing it a bit- but 1 for 2 means she's starting to get it

Watching her come up the front of the circle now however, the way her arm looks from the camera angle it almost seems as if she may be straying over her head a bit. I would shoot some video from behind just to be sure.

I think she looks great and has much potential!
 
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Merrill Danner

Relax and breathe!
Sep 26, 2012
130
16
74441 - Oklahoma
MD, has your daughter picked up any speed once she starting finding the whip in her motion?

yes she has, in practice. she is now fighting a mental battle. She has started getting tense and using all muscle to throw during games. We are now working on learning how to relax and throw the ball, versus lets think about the last 10 pitches and then try to throw the ball. She is smiling and having fun.

I am to blame for the tension and stress. I was a Army Infantry soldier until medically released in 2008. Have worked with and trained men all over the place and at times tend to forget that 1. this is not war. 2. it isn't life or death 3. it has to be fun 4. she is not one of my soldiers and should never be treated as such.
 
Jun 14, 2011
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Field of Dreams
self-awareness in this regard is a major victory. I am a total type A and had to back it down quite a bit. That is why I post from time to time, it is an escape valve so I don't direct the crazy at DD:) Not sure I am always successful with that, but I try.

MD thank you for your service!
 
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Merrill Danner

Relax and breathe!
Sep 26, 2012
130
16
74441 - Oklahoma
Here is a quick update.
Some things that I am learning.

She has/is having timing issues.
I started noticing this with a lot of missing left and right and high. Her stride leg was at times kicking out hard and knee high, other times was just a quick step with a good push from the drive leg.
We have started working on finding something that works best for her, which at the moment is just a fast and purposeful step out, getting no more than calf high, and planted solidly to bolster front side resistance.

She would also open inconsistently, at times, she would open at the moment her stride foot left the rubber, others she would open once the stride let made full extension just before making contact with the ground.
We have been working towards opening later and doing so explosively. She an I have both noticed that this seems to help amplify the whipping action of the arm at it passes from 12 o'clock position on to the 6 o'clock position and release.
This portion is still a work in progress, trying to find consistent point at which she opens.

Sometimes she will do so very explosively, others it is like a 80% effort, but she understands the importance of doing the same thing the same way every time. with time and repetition she is getting closer to finding an opening that is consistently repeatable for her.

Overlap - she has found a point during her back-swing at which she is now very consistent at applying overlap, generally at around 7:00 o'clock, this is proving to help accelerate the arm and helping to increase speed.

I know she is throwing faster and doing much better at hitting corners, but still timing is a big issue, but she is working hard. I don't have a gun to measure speed, frankly not interested, just looking to help her build a foundation of solid mechanics to hopefully help her achieve her goal of playing at a D1 school.

What I do like is the fact that I am hearing the ball coming from a greater distance than I was several weeks ago, not sure what that means. One thing is for sure, really need to invest in a catchers mitt, because the glove I am using and the moment doesn't offer much protection when the ball is not caught properly.

As I type she has gotten up and gone out to the field, not ball field we live in the country and have 100 acres, to warm up, do BM lockout drill, Hillhouse's up together down together, and throw several buckets(25 balls) into a net. She is aware enough to be conscious of her mechanics, and if there is a question has her little brother video it and post it for me to review during the day.


Just want to say thank you to everyone who has helped and provided feedback.


This was shot by event photographer this weekend at 12U B State tournament

EMD-SB-2015-0001.jpg


Very proud of this girl, she has overcome, illness and injury and done so with a smile and strong work ethic.
 
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