what's you number 1 speed building drill or exercise? and why?

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Feb 17, 2014
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Given arm speed increases the velocity generated by the arm whipping action, pitchers often think of muscling the ball as generating arm speed. I think the key to generating more velocity is getting away from muscling with the arm, but instead focusing on a loose, but very whippy arm.

Well said. It is all about arm whip. Only thing I would add is that it is ultimately the speed of the fingers that determine velocity. Yes, you need to accelerate the arm but do not forget the wrist and positioning of the ball on the pads of the fingers. I get my students to focus on whipping the fingertips which introduces different nomenclature to better differentiate from what they may have been taught when learning HE.
 
Dec 12, 2012
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On the bucket
Given arm speed increases the velocity generated by the arm whipping action, pitchers often think of muscling the ball as generating arm speed. I think the key to generating more velocity is getting away from muscling with the arm, but instead focusing on a loose, but very whippy arm.

So true, but so hard to get a 13 yo DD to grasp that concept!
 
Jun 18, 2012
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Utah
My own daughter is strong and athletic, but that's her weakness in terms of throwing with a loose, noodle-like arm. She needs to learn to pitch using her athleticism and strength, but not in muscling the ball, but rather with a loose, noodle-like arm.
 
Dec 12, 2012
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My own daughter is strong and athletic, but that's her weakness in terms of throwing with a loose, noodle-like arm. She needs to learn to pitch using her athleticism and strength, but not in muscling the ball, but rather with a loose, noodle-like arm.

Exactly! I have the same DD. She relies on her brute strength for everything.

It usually works, but for this.... not so much. A few times during a practice she will accidentally "let go" and holy cow one comes flying. She realizes that it's happening, but just can't process it fully to incorporate the relaxing/looseness all the time. Her subconscious brain is winning the will power and body control battle right now.
 
Jan 7, 2014
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Not speaking for Java...but lots of studies referenced in Duane Knudson's "Fundamentals of Biomechanics."

Although I don't recall anything softball specific, there is plenty of great info (albeit rather dry) that relates directly to the kinetic chain and the benefits of CKCE.

CP
 
Sep 19, 2013
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Texas
Sure. The comparative list that was posted, didn't paste in a format that's too readable, which is probably what caused some confusion.

Here's a pretty decent definition/comparison:



Most strength programs combine elements of both. CKCE have been proven to be better in both lower and upper body gains in performance & strength. Unfortunately, not many people have found creative ways to make them effective in low repetition, high-intensity training... but that changed a few years ago... and you can now do so... so much that you don't need to perform any OKCE... the program can be entirely CKCE - while being INCREDIBLY EFFECTIVE. And yes... for the one hater on this board... it has been validated against athletes in DI-III, as well as HS age females. Furthermore, females prefer it to dead-lifting and other conventional methods... and who can blame them... how many ridiculous youtube videos are there of people passing out on a lift... or choking themselves out while bench pressing? ;)



K, here's the shorter version:

I've a bunch of progressive training regimens I use to help pitchers increase their pitching speed.

The baseline I use... to determine if someone is READY to partake an in intensive training program is already posted in the Drive Mechanics sticky.

Here they are:

Post #49
Post #50
Post #51
Post #52
Post #53

I use this post as an assessment tool to determine when they are ready. Jumps are not about quantity, but quality. I want technique perfection.

Once they do this, I put them in a CKCE program, that lasts 12-14 weeks. They perform the exercises 2-3 times a week max.

After the training program, their speed is re-assessed. The minimum gain ever was 3%. That pitcher was already a studette... but still increased her AVERAGE speed from 63 to 65. I usually see gains of 6-10% in speed, which is absolutely a phenomenal gain.

So... what I wanted to do, was to form a group of helpers... to conduct an on-line DFP study. Why? My programs are closely monitored by me... something I cannot do in bulk, outside of my clinics. I wanted to organize the presentation of the program... to an online format, so that WE - the DFP faithful - could offer EVERYONE this opportunity to increase their DD's speed.... FREE.

I've already received a few PM's and emails regarding it (need more people)... if you're interested, let me know how you can help... and ideas to make the study successful. We'll need stats, data collection, ways to make it cost effective for everyone, someone to make a document for presentation, pre-program requirements, etc... In other words, I want to take the program I've used with success, and make it available/understandable to all on here.

Before we do so, I'd like to make sure it's tested and presented in a way it can be successfully implemented.

Once that is done... we'll need DD's. Age is typically not an issue, I've used this particular regimen on students as young as 10... but that's something the group will need to discuss/determine. All programs require supervision... and although this program is INFINITELY safer than anything else I've seen, it's still important that it be presented/monitored by an AWARE/INFORMED adult.

Java! Count us in on your study. Just let us know what we need to do! This is perfect timing! Just what we need.
 
Sep 19, 2013
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Texas
Can somebody b more specific on how they do long toss. Are there different ways to do it? Can u use different size balls or weighted balls? (Not real heavy 8oz) Regular pitching motion or walk throughs?
Thanks!
 

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