The Kelly Barnhill Thread

[riseball]

I will take this a step further actually. Not by MY definition. But, by NCAA, NFHS, PGF, USSSA and ASA this hasnt been illegal in years. I dont know how else to say that?

STOP means, STOP this nonsense of bashing amateurs. PLEASE.

STOP making stuff up to further your ludicrous agenda. Leaping is illegal in all associations you list. Read the rule book. Lack of enforcement does not negate that simple fact of life. No weasel wording and rationalization by you will change that. I will admit that I am at times politically incorrect even tacky, but by any reasonable definition Barnhill is a cheat. So deal with it. If I am wrong explain based on the classic definition of a cheat how I am wrong. I get it that do not like to hear it because despite your fake tough dad clan antics you seem to have delicate sensibilities. As [MENTION=8928]Easton33[/MENTION] said just own it. I am sure you can still be in the tough dad clan and strut around at the local park. OVER (Let's pretend we are on walkie talkies now. Kind of like GI Joe except without the bazooka.)

 

[DmystifieD]

By the rule set, of course it is illegal. If you are referencing the lack of calling by umps, it's still illegal. Driving 56 in a 55 is illegal, will you get a ticket for It? It's about the same chances as some blue actually calling her illegal. Both are illegal and just because you she hasn't been called on it doesn't make it right. I think you are being irrational, you just don't want to admit she is illegal. Own it, she is illegal abound your ok with that. It is what it is. You do yourselve a disservice by not admitting what everyone knows you know. Just own it

I disagree Easton33. I get your moral principle you are employing, trust me. I do. but Own It? Own What? Own the fact that I am not a disgruntled pitchers daddy (yet I am a pitchers daddy) or a revenue affected person (who along with P's daddies as I have stated appear to me to be MOST of who make up this class of folks questioning the rules, sure I could be wrong) who has witnessed and accepted the fact that this style has been around for years and it is in fact part of the game and is not going away until something/some rule/some training changes? If that's what you want me to own, I've owned that since my first post. Right?

It really has nothing to do with admitting anything. If you all want to hear me say she is cheating, it is NOT happening. You know my answer, quit bashing amateurs. They are doing as probably instructed.

I remember your DUI example from last post. Now it's a driving speed issue. You are crossing an individual sports rules with actual laws represented by lawmakers! I do get the intent. Sure it proves your point. Let me add this though, I will try to use your example, but I am afraid I may not be able to make my point "constructing" this...... so forgive me if I really mess up my intent.

The police don't pull anyone over for doing 60 in a 55. The sign posted in this case clearly says 55. They have not pulled ANYONE over in the country for doing 56, 57, 58 or 59 or 60 in the past 10 years.

You now need to start your drive on the highway. Everyone, including an officer as you merge is traveling 60 as you enter the highway. You doing 60 or 55? As a youth, we were taught to go with the flow of traffic. As a youth, PRE 16, we were instructed to NOTE the speed limit and stay with the flow of traffic as this is a safe practice.

These girls are trying to win and be seen by colleges and get scholarships, why wouldn't they drive 60? jeeze, i think i was able to do it! lol

 

[DmystifieD]

You can think she's a cheat to yourself, but the second anyone comes on the world wide web and starts bashing amateurs, regardless of the sport, event or issue, you have to be smart enough to know that some people aren't going to like what you have to say and are going to tear down that logic. While the logic was easy to tear down for me knowing that it has been taught for years, clearly some are not aware of that, yet.

The subject of leaping is an easy subject. Do you want me to advise you if leaping is illegal? HELL YES it is. I am not ducking anything, lol.
I educated you earlier...... Leaping would be if the umpire sees air between cleat and plane. In a softball world, that is the definition. If you don't see air, she is NOT leaping. That is umpiring 101. This game is NOT played in gif's, slo-mo, freeze-frame or after the game, it is played LIVE and all are calling it the same. ALL sanctions. Have been for years.

 

[riseball]

You can think she's a cheat to yourself, but the second anyone comes on the world wide web and starts bashing amateurs, regardless of the sport, event or issue, you have to be smart enough to know that some people aren't going to like what you have to say and are going to tear down that logic. While the logic was easy to tear down for me knowing that it has been taught for years, clearly some are not aware of that, yet...

If tearing down logic is whining and rationalization you have got it nailed. However, once again you offer only emotion and a misguided theory based on watching some videos on YouTube. In your infinite wisdom you have concluded some players are being taught to deliberately leap. A scenario that makes zero sense and is so outlandish that even DFP members from California have never heard of it before. Maybe they do not have your awesome Google skills? You have never offered any real substance with regard to mechanics and why players leap. Other than that is what they were taught. I on the other hand have explained in detail what causes most leaping and given a very plausible scenario for why players never fix it. Not some dreamed up fantasy from Google/YouTube. When someone disagrees and calls BS you stalk them and their players online. That is when you are not circling other wayward parents with your dad clan, telling them how it is and they need to shut their mouth. It sounds very like something from an episode of Jerry Srpinger. As with anyone who cannot offer something tangible, all you can do is rationalize and cry STOP!

 

[FastPitchCat]

Google is a tool. Google helps weed out the B.S.. I just did some serious weeding. My employer uses Google to weed out bad applicants for implying skills they don't have or for being an rear hat on social media lets say. One of several reasons we use google. It's called getting educated so one doesn't have to believe everything you read. STOP.

i asked this question several pages back but didn't get an answer.

what do i type into google, yahoo or bing to find PC's that actually teach the leap as a technique?

i've typed " fastpitch pitching leaping PC instruction leap drag" but found nothing but why it's illegal to leap (at least here in the US of A).
i'm curious.

 

[FastPitchCat]

everyone can have an opinion.
if some folks think KB is illegal, so be it. it's their opinion.
I for one think just because it's not being called doesn't make it legal. it's in the books 10.4.4 and 10.4.5

If you don't think so just because it's not being called, okay, your opinion is right to you.


but we can all agree to disagree. lets keep it civil peace.

 

[DmystifieD]

If tearing down logic is whining and rationalization you have got it nailed. However, once again you offer only emotion and a misguided theory based on watching some videos on YouTube. In your infinite wisdom you have concluded some players are being taught to deliberately leap. A scenario that makes zero sense and is so outlandish that even DFP members from California have never heard of it before. Maybe they do not have your awesome Google skills? You have never offered any real substance with regard to mechanics and why players leap. Other than that is what they were taught. I on the other hand have explained in detail what causes most leaping and given a very plausible scenario for why players never fix it. Not some dreamed up fantasy from Google/YouTube. When someone disagrees and calls BS you stalk them and their players online. That is when you are not circling other wayward parents with your dad clan, telling them how it is and they need to shut their mouth. It sounds very like something from an episode of Jerry Srpinger. As with anyone who cannot offer something tangible, all you can do is rationalize and cry STOP!

Keep bashing me, doesn't change your credentials.

 

[DmystifieD]

i asked this question several pages back but didn't get an answer.

what do i type into google, yahoo or bing to find PC's that actually teach the leap as a technique?

i've typed " fastpitch pitching leaping PC instruction leap drag" but found nothing but why it's illegal to leap (at least here in the US of A).
i'm curious.

Thought i replied to this, id have to go back. I would have said, go find the 2 gals we most talk about (barnhill and carda), now find who they played for BEFORE tv. See if you can find them. Once found, go find their teammates. I really thought I alluded to this. Sorry. Riseball SPUN this that this was pitching coach (or coaches) who teach everyone this. NOT what I said, so a google search looking for that would bring nothing is my hunch. You wont find, or at least I dont know of any who teach this to every student. Maybe there are some, but this skill (actually a drill) is not something 12U and under is seeing. The studs are given information that helps them mature and grow in this sport. Suzy Newbie is not even going to hear this. Sorry, I cant spell it out any more. I know the girls, I know the coaches, that is just part of being in the mix with them. However, the searches will bring some light I believe. I also have no agenda to name the coaches, i have NO agenda. Other than ending the amateur bashing.

One more thing, I am not here to point out who the top coaches in the area are. Nor am I here to point out who my DD's coach is, or was. All of these clues are doing what I said early on... I am NOT going to outfit a bunch of whining dads with intel so they can come on here and bash more. I mentioned something like that I am confident.

 

[DmystifieD]

everyone can have an opinion.
if some folks think KB is illegal, so be it. it's their opinion.
I for one think just because it's not being called doesn't make it legal. it's in the books 10.4.4 and 10.4.5

If you don't think so just because it's not being called, okay, your opinion is right to you.


but we can all agree to disagree. lets keep it civil peace.

I really agree with this so MUCH..... really. One sure as heck can think she is illegal. several do.

Taking it to a level of "she's a cheat" continues to cross a line for me, regardless of the student/sport.

 

[DmystifieD]

i asked this question several pages back but didn't get an answer.

what do i type into google, yahoo or bing to find PC's that actually teach the leap as a technique?

i've typed " fastpitch pitching leaping PC instruction leap drag" but found nothing but why it's illegal to leap (at least here in the US of A).
i'm curious.

One more thought on this.... please remember that NO ONE is teaching Leaping. That is illegal. What is being taught is to maximize less drag by having minimal to NO cleat touching the dirt. By definition, not leaping. I know that's a fine line and I am not trying to play dumb. I get the question.