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Is this too much around the rear leg?
CP
Decent attempt but IMO - yes - tell her to keep the front hip from coming towards the tee - she is just spinning the front hip out..
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Decent attempt but IMO - yes - tell her to keep the front hip from coming towards the tee - she is just spinning the front hip out..
- May 3, 2014
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So DD2 had a ton of homework tonight so we re-sheculed for Wednesday...
Did some work with DD1 instead...she hasn't swung a bat in a few months because of swim team so there was certainly plenty of rust. DD1 is LAZY...she hits great in games in spite of her pattern...no DBSF though...she's never had that problem...
We did some SNF and a modified version of SNF with front toss like this:
Just focused on core usage...no barrel turn talk...just trying to keep pressure between the hips and in the core...CP
Not a bad start given the time off.
OK - watch her head come forward. Good core usage should also keep the head back. If the head travels forward the upper spine is not stable (another way to say she is using her shoulders too much). Much like throwing the thoracic spine should have extension not flexion - extension allows spinal bend to take place (IE the scrunch). This allows the hips to work easier.
So onward we go...
Today we spent as much time talking and dry swinging...we talked about posture (the facility has WiFi so I bring my laptop and show her exactly what I'm talking about), Ia lowered her handset a bit now that she seems to be devlopinga little better sense of where the barrel is...
We started with 45* SNF and I stopped that after 10-12 reps because of her keeping that lead shoulder high...we'll re-visit...I did like how she pulled her legs "back" and I think this can get good really quick if I can get her attack posture in better shape...
We moved on to "moving out and attack posture" I threw some caution to the wind with her when I showed her the Bonds clip that FFS posted a few pages back where the head movement and belly button movement were different. We also talked about spine angle and tilt...she over cooks this a little but I think with a little work on this each session, she'll get more comfortable with these concepts:
We talked some more...about the good, the bad and the pretty good...
I wanted to spend some time on elbow poke even if that meant no front toss...this is what we got:
A little too much head "slide" but lots of good in this swing...more importantly IMO she was able to repeat this swing over and over...I realize it's only tee work but each swing was pounded...
No time for front toss but I felt this was very productive...an example that QUALITY is more important than quantity...
Positive comments welcome...CP
Today we spent as much time talking and dry swinging...we talked about posture (the facility has WiFi so I bring my laptop and show her exactly what I'm talking about), Ia lowered her handset a bit now that she seems to be devlopinga little better sense of where the barrel is...
We started with 45* SNF and I stopped that after 10-12 reps because of her keeping that lead shoulder high...we'll re-visit...I did like how she pulled her legs "back" and I think this can get good really quick if I can get her attack posture in better shape...
We moved on to "moving out and attack posture" I threw some caution to the wind with her when I showed her the Bonds clip that FFS posted a few pages back where the head movement and belly button movement were different. We also talked about spine angle and tilt...she over cooks this a little but I think with a little work on this each session, she'll get more comfortable with these concepts:
We talked some more...about the good, the bad and the pretty good...
I wanted to spend some time on elbow poke even if that meant no front toss...this is what we got:
A little too much head "slide" but lots of good in this swing...more importantly IMO she was able to repeat this swing over and over...I realize it's only tee work but each swing was pounded...
No time for front toss but I felt this was very productive...an example that QUALITY is more important than quantity...
Positive comments welcome...CP
So we are in somewhat of a stalled mode now...
I know some of you guys\gals may laugh, but the ONLY way I can consistently keep her from flattening the bat right from the start is by holding the PVC pipe behind her...
The PVC keeps her front shoulder down and the barrel from dumping...albeit she feels very nonathletic with the PVC hoovering behind her so I don;t over do the PVC - I don't want to coach the athleticism out of her...
This is from earlier today:
She is squaring pretty much everything so I don't say much...her confidence is through the roof right now...that's not to say we are satisfied...she watches these clips too...I showed her these clips side by side with Francisco Lindor...she gets it even if she's not getting it...
Today we talked about the extra stretch and reviewed poking the right elbow back a touch. We spent a few minutes on the Yeagar rear arm usage drill where I move her elbow back and forth while holding her hands still with the barrel pretty upright while she moves out.
...journey continues...
Positive comments welcome...CP
I know some of you guys\gals may laugh, but the ONLY way I can consistently keep her from flattening the bat right from the start is by holding the PVC pipe behind her...
The PVC keeps her front shoulder down and the barrel from dumping...albeit she feels very nonathletic with the PVC hoovering behind her so I don;t over do the PVC - I don't want to coach the athleticism out of her...
This is from earlier today:
She is squaring pretty much everything so I don't say much...her confidence is through the roof right now...that's not to say we are satisfied...she watches these clips too...I showed her these clips side by side with Francisco Lindor...she gets it even if she's not getting it...
Today we talked about the extra stretch and reviewed poking the right elbow back a touch. We spent a few minutes on the Yeagar rear arm usage drill where I move her elbow back and forth while holding her hands still with the barrel pretty upright while she moves out.
...journey continues...
Positive comments welcome...CP
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So DD2 had a ton of homework tonight so we re-sheculed for Wednesday...
Did some work with DD1 instead...she hasn't swung a bat in a few months because of swim team so there was certainly plenty of rust. DD1 is LAZY...she hits great in games in spite of her pattern...no DBSF though...she's never had that problem...
We did some SNF and a modified version of SNF with front toss like this:
Just focused on core usage...no barrel turn talk...just trying to keep pressure between the hips and in the core...CP
Some people believe that laziness is a sign of intelligence.
Perhaps its her way of filtering out certain information
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Some people believe that laziness is a sign of intelligence.
Perhaps its her way of filtering out certain information
She's very intelligent...and very lazy...what's that make her?...a genius LOL
If I could get her to work half as hard as DD2 she could be very successful...
Or this could just be the "I'm a teenager so I filter my parents out" stage...CP
What is your intent with this exercise? This is one component of Yeager's teaching that I don't see matching the actions in a high level swing. Yeager is teaching the elbow flap/slotting as an independent action that is not connected with barrel movement, rather than the elbow getting slotted as a response to other actions. That said, you may have an intent with the exercise that makes sense for a feeling you're trying to communicate to your DD. I'm not judging your approach, just curious about how you're using this drill.
I'm sorry this isn't a 'positive comment'. I've debated all day and a couple of days/week to post. I didn't want to be another 'cook in the kitchen'. So take my comment as just another dad as just that...another dad with a DD.
You need to get your DD out of the mind set of 'level to the ball' swinging. It's been the same swing post after post.
If your DD was my DD I would set the ball on a low tee knee high and have my DD hit it to the top of the net. I normally like line drives into the net but, your DD hits line drives into the net/tarp with her level to the ball swing.
I don't disagree with you. Small doses with this...
It's more to keep her from her hands quiet instead of yank back\twist the upper body\stride. I do not give the same elbow cue that Doc gives. It has helped add some elbow poke to her swing and her hands aren't nearly as early as they were.
I hold her hands, let her stride out while she's getting some elbow poke...nothing more...CP
But your post is positive!!
Nothing negative there IMO...
I love your passion and respect your opinion...quite a bit, in fact
You can always PM me if you really wanna get fired up...I just don't want to DD2 to get caught in any crossfire publicly...that's where I draw the line...
I'll digress for a minute...
I posted something to this extent a few pages back...DBSF\level to the ball\whatever you want to call it...is like the bane of hitters...It exists everywhere but I'm yet to see where there is a consistent fix for it...and plenty of you guys are smarter than me and have far greater depth of knowledge when it comes to hitting.
By my count, 37 different drills\fixes\comments have been suggested to me so far...that's a whole lotta (potential) change to make in 3-4 weeks...
It's not like I don't see it...hell, she sees it! My frustration lies in the fact that no matter what I communicate\demonstrate to her, it doesn't change her barrel pattern. I'm pretty sure JJ feels the same way as do many other parents and coaches...
You are offering a comment and a possible solution. I'm trying to get cage time on Thursday and will give the low tee a revisit. I had tried that a while back but scrapped it because there were other issues in her sequence.
Sincere thanks...CP
I'm sorry this isn't a 'positive comment'. I've debated all day and a couple of days/week to post. I didn't want to be another 'cook in the kitchen'. So take my comment as just another dad as just that...another dad with a DD.
You need to get your DD out of the mind set of 'level to the ball' swinging. It's been the same swing post after post.
If your DD was my DD I would set the ball on a low tee knee high and have my DD hit it to the top of the net. I normally like line drives into the net but, your DD hits line drives into the net/tarp with her level to the ball swing.
Nothing negative there IMO...
I love your passion and respect your opinion...quite a bit, in fact
You can always PM me if you really wanna get fired up...I just don't want to DD2 to get caught in any crossfire publicly...that's where I draw the line...
I'll digress for a minute...
I posted something to this extent a few pages back...DBSF\level to the ball\whatever you want to call it...is like the bane of hitters...It exists everywhere but I'm yet to see where there is a consistent fix for it...and plenty of you guys are smarter than me and have far greater depth of knowledge when it comes to hitting.
By my count, 37 different drills\fixes\comments have been suggested to me so far...that's a whole lotta (potential) change to make in 3-4 weeks...
It's not like I don't see it...hell, she sees it! My frustration lies in the fact that no matter what I communicate\demonstrate to her, it doesn't change her barrel pattern. I'm pretty sure JJ feels the same way as do many other parents and coaches...
You are offering a comment and a possible solution. I'm trying to get cage time on Thursday and will give the low tee a revisit. I had tried that a while back but scrapped it because there were other issues in her sequence.
Sincere thanks...CP
