HE question

[cuzmail]

Jennie Finch (the most succeessful pitcher EVER) throws her fastball and drop with HE.

Ummmmmm Nope. Not at all.

I'll even question the "most successful pitcher EVER" part too.

I'll play.......

 

[JJsqueeze]

Man, did you have to hate on the Gremlin? What's next? The Pacer, a Matador???

don't get me wrong, I have a lot of love for the 70s econocars...they have a certain "so ugly they are cute" vibe, I probably should have gone with the Yugo.

 

[riseball]

don't get me wrong, I have a lot of love for the 70s econocars...they have a certain "so ugly they are cute" vibe, I probably should have gone with the Yugo.

Do not underestimate the crappy little gem from the bowtie folks, the Chevy Vega. I had a Gremlin with the big V6 and the manual transmission and although ugly had pretty good performance.

 

[cuzmail]

Ford Escort.... and then we can get into the whole Chrysler line of K cars.

 

[Merrill Danner]

There's a picture of Jenny Finch doing HE on the AZ wall, but she only throws that FB in warm up and practice, while doing drills. So there you have it. Me personally, I have seen a 55mph HE pitcher. That is fine for HS, but she quit because her arm bothered her and she had no movement on her pitches. She is now an all-Met shortstop instead, so not a bad outcome.

I have seen her throw as well and will swear that it is I/R. During a demonstration for the girls in the crowd, her dad "Doug" started extolling the virtues of HE and how inherently safe it is. Jenny then proceeded to follow through with HE.

 

[mothgirl]

There's a picture of Jenny Finch doing HE on the AZ wall, but she only throws that FB in warm up and practice, while doing drills. So there you have it. Me personally, I have seen a 55mph HE pitcher. That is fine for HS, but she quit because her arm bothered her and she had no movement on her pitches. She is now an all-Met shortstop instead, so not a bad outcome.

My dd was taught HE, she was slow and Her shoulder hurt every time she pitched for a long time. Since switched to the whip, I/R, forearm fire whatever you want to call it, she's gone from 38mpr to 53mpr, and no pain! (And she doesn't even have it down yet! Just wait till she really masters it!! Woo hoo) That's all the evidence I need!

However I am still waiting on that video that shows any high level pitcher using HE, just like I'm waiting to see a unicorn someday.

This thread seems like it was made just to stir the pot because somebody was bored, I feel like a chump for even responding to it, but just in case somebody is really wondering about the differences. There is enough info in this board for a reasonably intelligent person to sift through info, look at the video evidence, and then try it for yourself! That's what I did.

Again plz post any video of high level P using HE if you can find it, I would love to see it.

 

[RetiredCoach]

HE is still well taught in my area. The first pitching instructors that my DDs had extolled it. My older DD tried to emulate it while being mostly IR, naturally. My youngest DD, apparently not being a good listerner, just started throwing with IR. In spite of this, until recently, I still had to disavow my oldest DD of the notion that it was an ideal way to pitch. At a college DI game in Florida over this past Spring Break we were watching pitchers easily throwing 60+ mph. I turned to my DD and said, "You don't see them pitching with HE do you?" Point. Set. Match!

 

[mothgirl]

My dd was reluctant to make the change, but I asked her to give me two weeks of doing some I/R drills before she poo pooed it. Didn't even take that long, the first week she felt the power she could get and her accuracy improved, she was a believer. The hard part was watching Her struggle with how to deal with the coaches on her SB team who teach HE. I told her to just smile and nod.

 

[Sparky Guy]

Ford Escort.... and then we can get into the whole Chrysler line of K cars.

The Dodge Omni was a classic pile of junk.

 

[sluggers]

IR uses the two pronation muscles in the forearm. Without IR, the pronation muscles are not used. The pronation muscles are relatively weak, but move the forearm very quickly. Pronation is the second fastest physical motion the human body can do (blinking being faster) It seems pretty simple: The pitcher is trying to throw something very fast--therefore, lets move the arm very fast.

How fast?

If you ever want to get slapped silly by a girl, play the "hand slap" game against a high level pitcher. Two people stand facing each other. One player puts his palms up, the other places his hands on top of the palm. The player with the palms up has to pronate his hand to slap the top of the other players hand. The other player need only pull his hand out of the way.

Training will increase the strength and speed of the pronator muscles. Top tennis players have 15% more strength in the pronator muscles than "regular" people...so, I suspect the same holds true for top level level pitchers.

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The most convincing evidence of IR is simply that almost every athletic activity where the arm is used to propel an object at high speed uses IR: Javelin,shot put, baseball pitching, hitting, golf, tennis, hockey, lacrosse, cricket bowling, ping pong, hammer toss, boxing...the list is endless. (The only exception seems to be the caber toss.)

It is very unlikely that throwing a softball would be an exception.