The rear leg

[RayR]

That's one way to open your hips....then there is the correct way in the context of hitting.....

If I IR my femur my hips open....and my toes are pointed at the plate....

Constant IR of the femur against resisting hips until it's time to open the hips....

Two points;

First one; you said, "..point the rear toes straight ahead of you...open your hips slightly"

Do you understand that the action of opening your hips slightly was done by muscle action that applies external rotation force to the back femur?

Then you said, "turn the femur towards your groin." Yes, this now reduces the amount of external rotation that was there, But, if you keep the foot down, there is still external rotation. You can't get to neutral or IR unless you pivot the foot.

Second Point;

You can only turn the foot into IR if it has no weight on it, or no friction holding it. If it has weight on it, and you apply the muscles that cause IR, the front hip will close.

The knee and ankle bend does not change the IR/ER angle, it changes the abduct/adduct angle.

You simply don't have the knowledge of anatomy, necessary to understand what I'm telling you.

Please answer the physics question regarding the ball bouncing off of a wall.

 

[nanotech14]

I always use the cave man approach, "ME HIT BALL FAR"

 

[Greenmonsters]

Yeah, that's it. And, the Earth is flat, the stars are a roof over the Earth with nothing beyond them, and airplanes don't fly due to lift, and 2 + 2 isn't 4, and Newton got it all wrong.

What about Santa, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and Squisha Dabug?

 

[jbooth]

That's one way to open your hips....then there is the correct way in the context of hitting.....

If I IR my femur my hips open....and my toes are pointed at the plate....

Constant IR of the femur against resisting hips until it's time to open the hips....

That is what you feel, and what you think is happening, but you simply can't seem to comprehend that the actual bio-mechanic is different. You CANNOT have a fully weighted back foot and open your hips by activating the muscles that would IR an unweighted foot.

Hey, teach what you feel. I have no problem with that. I'm just trying to educate you regarding the facts. Evidently you don't care about the facts. And, that is also fine, but it's hard for me to understand how you can have the audacity to mock me when I present facts and you say they aren't, even though you admit to lacking significant knowledge of the subject.

 

[tom.guerry]

IR is defined in joint motion terms, ball of femur relative to socket/acetabulum, not in terms of exactly what muscles are active. muscle action varies, open chain v closed chain and infinite other variations, see, for example:

What's a Hip Turn? Part 2 :: Oceanic Time Warner Cable's AroundHawaii.com

muscles can articulate different movements depending upon their positioning in relation to their attachments and which part of the muscle is at work.

That is why the movements are going to be a bit difficult to distinguish at times but we’ll have to rely on position of the bones, joints and research that has already been done in this field.


The major muscles of the spine engine are multi-planar and much more complex than your bicep! This is because the hip joint is a ball and socket type of joint (synovial) that has a large amount of three dimensional movement available and the muscles’ positioning on the pelvic bone, spine and femur affect how the muscle will move.

The key is using these muscles correctly to create the correct motion in one plane while creating a stretch in another plane of motion to fire once again.

 

[NoonTime]

Jbooth (any anyone else who likes to play along at home),
When you stand up, feet shoulder width apart, weight evenly distributed, knees bent, facing a wall, toes pointed at wall and hips facing wall... can you move your right thigh (femur) back and forth with IR and ER action? Your feet remain pointed at the wall, the weight remains relatively evenly distributed, and your hips do not turn (nor do they shift laterally) but the relationship between femur and socket changes. Your knee will move in space going from a "knock-kneed" position when the femur is in IR to a "bow-legged" position when the femur is in an ER position. I think this movement is not abduction or adduction as there is no lateral shifting of the hips or shifting of weight, it's just an IR to ER and back to IR movement of the femur in the socket. Are you with me? Can you replicate this movement?
Cheers,
Noontime

 

[RayR]

That is what you feel, and what you think is happening, but you simply can't seem to comprehend that the actual bio-mechanic is different. You CANNOT have a fully weighted back foot and open your hips by activating the muscles that would IR an unweighted foot.

Hey, teach what you feel. I have no problem with that. I'm just trying to educate you regarding the facts. Evidently you don't care about the facts. And, that is also fine, but it's hard for me to understand how you can have the audacity to mock me when I present facts and you say they aren't, even though you admit to lacking significant knowledge of the subject.

Even if what you are saying is true (and I am not saying you are) - it certainly begs the question why would anyone care what the movements actually are if you don't feel them....and way, way, way more important to that is how many people have been fooled into trying to the crap you explain....

 

[mann]

Mts says..... quote "Rear leg swings really illustrate whether a swing is out front or deep just by whether or not the hitter can keep from coming down on their front foot....whether they are turning the barrel deep or out front... endquote"

Wow. I thought i would put this here. as it pertains to the REAR LEG.
J booth makes total sense, MTS, this quote sounds like total NON SENSE.

This is what you teach MTS? How does that work out?

 

[RayR]

Mann - then I would do it Booth's way and let us know how it works out for you....I am totally comfortable and confident that the rear leg does not get used by the best hitters as Booth is leading you to believe....

Now, Mann I will always try and be a gentlemen and discuss things if things are discussed in a polite manner....but I have no problem answering replies such as, "Duh" and "You're showing your ignorance" with the tone those replies deserve....

 

[mann]

Actually i believe in what J booth says, because i see it in the high level swings.
i like to believe in my eyes, and what i feel when i swing, not what i am told, like resist getting to the front side.

I am from the camp, it takes two legs to swing.

I am still interested in why you think, the swing hinges on the back leg, and how in does all it does, without weight.
Is it MOMENTUM?
sorry Mts, its early, here in the northwest.