It would be Chaos if umps start making different calls on the same play.
You just need to wait until the play is over.
You just need to wait until the play is over.
Overturn a judgement call
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Under the umpire section of the rule book it also states no umpire shall seek to overturn the call of another umpire unless specifically asked for information on the play the other umpire may have. So, the plate umpire should not have interjected himself into the situation unless requested to do so by the calling umpire. Now, I have seen cases where it is a brand new umpire and the fellow umpire will go out and speak with their partner about how rules are applied, situations etc, but stating it was a judgement call and could not be changed would not be correct. Should a judgement call be changed? Probably not without some really clear additional information they may not have noticed but nothing forbids an umpire from changing their call.
There's nothing wrong with an umpire immediately correcting their own call if they see evidence that they were wrong. I see it happen all the time. Recently, there was a play at the plate where the umpire signaled "out", but called "safe". He literally changed his mind in the middle of the call.
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Absolutely not
No he didn't. He had a brain fart and I do not know of any umpire with a few years under his/her belt to which this hasn't happened
Modifying the OP scenario a bit, assume the BU did not reverse the initial "out" call. Could the 1B coach (or HC) have asked the PU if he would be willing to confer with the PU to see if he/she saw it differently?
One more mod - assume it wasn't a "foot not on the base" play, but rather a play where the runner beats the throw to 1B by a split second. She is legitimately safe in the eyes of the 1B coach, but the BU calls her out. Can the coach ask the BU to confer with the PU to see if the PU saw it differently?
One more mod - assume it wasn't a "foot not on the base" play, but rather a play where the runner beats the throw to 1B by a split second. She is legitimately safe in the eyes of the 1B coach, but the BU calls her out. Can the coach ask the BU to confer with the PU to see if the PU saw it differently?
If you have questions about a play you must discuss it with the umpire who made the call. No, the other umpire should NEVER talk to a coach about a call another umpire has made. If you feel the umpire missed something you can ask them to confer with the other umpire. It is totally their decision if they choose to confer and it is their call to either keep or change depending on the information they get from the other umpire(s).
Your second situation, you are talking about questioning a judgement call. If you are questioning the call simply because you didnt like the result and there was no pulled foot, bobble ball etc no umpire should confer with other umpires simply because a coach doesnt like the call. What are you going to do if the base umpire judges the throw beat the runner, but the plate umpire judges differently? Flip a coin or draw straws? What if it is a 3 umpire system, 2 out of 3 votes gets the call?
In this instance, it's not a question of not liking a call, but rather one where the 1B coach truly believes that the runner beat the throw by a step but the BU called her out. Is it ok to say to the BU "I think the runner beat the throw. Would you be willing to confer with the PU to see if he/she saw it differently?"
I guess my question is, other than balls and strikes, are there judgement calls that a coach is simply not allowed to ask the umpire making the call to confer with the other umpires?
That is questioning a judgement call. The base umpire judged the ball beat the runner, the base coach felt otherwise. Again I ask, the base umpire judges the throw beat the runner, the plate umpire judges differently. Flip a coin? Draw straws? Why should one umpires judgement overrule another's? Suppose the call was the other way around, the umpire called the runner safe and the defensive coach felt the runner was out. Should the defensive coach be able to poll all the umpires fishing for an out call?
ASA 10-3-A
There will be no protest on any decision involving accuracy of judgement. No decision rendered by an umpire shall be reversed except when the umpire is convinced it is in violation of one of these rules. In case the manager, acting manager or caption of either team does seek a reversal of a decision based solely on a point of rules, the umpire whose decisions is in question, will, if in doubt, confer with the other umpire(s) before taking any action.......
