fanboi22
on the journey
The concept of Hip/Shoulder separation is one that has always bothered me. But only bothered me in a way that i didn't/don't understand it. There have been a few posts recently within other threads, and thought i would start one specifically for this question.
The twitter post i found on Drivelinebaseball as well as the KVest post. Both show what look to be the hips firing first.
But to be honest i have never really seen a post where the hips fire first all by themselves. It always seems that the back elbow starts coming down at the same time, which to me means that the top fires at the same time as the bottom.
Is this more of an all fire but the top half is more 'scrunching' and pulling the front shoulder up, vs rotational which makes it look like the hips are acting alone like Lee H. Oswald? I don't think that i can find a clip where the rear elbow doesn't align with the hips 'firing'.
My question is, what really happens? My thought is that the topside tries to get a 'stretch' which based on the Kvest graph the topside is moving in reverse, or walking away from the hands. This in turn gets the shoulders started behind the hips and then it seems like everything tries to launch. It seems like even before heel strike that the hips are starting to turn forward. This shows in red going up before the heel strike vertical line.
Secondary question, should the hips start to 'open' as the front foot comes down? If this something that needs to be taught? front foot towards pitcher, starts hips moving, heel strike as top half is still separating backwards, then bang, all forces launch to the pitch?
I have read some stuff on Baseball-fever as well and may post this over there to get comment. I am looking for a description that matches what i see. And as i try to actually fire the hips first, i seem to have too much 'rubber band stretch' to torso and lose alot of power/momentum.
Just thought i would ask to see what thoughts there are out there.
The twitter post i found on Drivelinebaseball as well as the KVest post. Both show what look to be the hips firing first.
But to be honest i have never really seen a post where the hips fire first all by themselves. It always seems that the back elbow starts coming down at the same time, which to me means that the top fires at the same time as the bottom.
Is this more of an all fire but the top half is more 'scrunching' and pulling the front shoulder up, vs rotational which makes it look like the hips are acting alone like Lee H. Oswald? I don't think that i can find a clip where the rear elbow doesn't align with the hips 'firing'.
My question is, what really happens? My thought is that the topside tries to get a 'stretch' which based on the Kvest graph the topside is moving in reverse, or walking away from the hands. This in turn gets the shoulders started behind the hips and then it seems like everything tries to launch. It seems like even before heel strike that the hips are starting to turn forward. This shows in red going up before the heel strike vertical line.
Secondary question, should the hips start to 'open' as the front foot comes down? If this something that needs to be taught? front foot towards pitcher, starts hips moving, heel strike as top half is still separating backwards, then bang, all forces launch to the pitch?
I have read some stuff on Baseball-fever as well and may post this over there to get comment. I am looking for a description that matches what i see. And as i try to actually fire the hips first, i seem to have too much 'rubber band stretch' to torso and lose alot of power/momentum.
Just thought i would ask to see what thoughts there are out there.