I remember that thread.........It was a thread were I explained the purpose of creating "lag" to facilitate whip.......
I posted several examples that you claimed were to "Grainy" to verify.........I remember asking you to view the original clip of Finch in quicktime and tell me what you saw at 3:00 (report back).......You accused me of copping an attitude........When I was only trying to help people understand the importance of creating lag.......I see you're still denying it.........And you have that right of course........
This was your quote:
I was trying to explain to you AND the board that as the arm/hand/ball transitions from 12:00 to 3:00 that ball is working to face the sky...........Palm up...........As a matter of bio-mechanics for creating whip from lag............
So.........One more time.........For those truely interested in high level pitching mechanics.......
Keeping in mind that you can only see what you want to see..........
Hillhouse going from palm to 3rd.......to palm to the sky at 3:00..........
Alicia Hollowell going palm up..........
Sarah Pauly Palm to the sky at 3:00.........I believe after I posted Sarah Pauly in this position........"SoftballDad" stopped posting in that thread..........And now he's here claiming he's never seen an elite pitcher "palm to the sky" again...........Frankly, I just don't get it..........
And last but not least...........Cat Osterman going Palm to the sky........And maintaining lag until release........
Again........Without any attitude..........You can ONLY see what you WANT to see.........
How many of these "elite" pitchers are "wiping the chalk board with the ball" on the way down the circle.........And how many of them do this........
I would say exactly........ZERO..........
Creating LAG........Going Palm UP (slightly more or less) is essential to creating the HIGHEST LEVEL mechanics........
In the first still of Fowler at ALMOST but NOT QUITE 3:00 Tom posted above.......(which I can't include because of the picture limit on this board).....She is transitioning from Palm to 3rd.......To Palm Up...........Creating LAG..........In the second picture he posted she is NOT at 3:00.........And the ball is more toward 3rd..........
If you use some imagination..........Call the second picture the FIRST frame........And the first picture the SECOND frame........And you will understand why the ball is facing MORE toward third then MORE toward the sky are she reaches ALMOST 3:00.........
Sorry for the interuption of the thread.........But good and "verifiable" information is important..........
Carry on with how the palm/ball faces "more toward 3rd" at 3:00.............
There's a reason I don't teach it that way...........Everyone's different.........And so is the level of pitchers being produced.........
BM - thanks for the detailed post and the last video showing Cat performing a warm-up drill where she has palm to the sky at 3:00 (couldn't see that position on the earlier vids). What I didn't fully realize is that the hand/arm rotates open by 3:00 thus creating the "lag" during the last half of the arm circle. So if I understand it correctly, from 12:00 to 6:00 (release) that the palm of the hand actually goes from facing catcher; to slightly closed to 3B; back open to palm to the sky; and lastly facing catcher at release. The "palm to the sky" move creates the lag which increases the arm whip and the speed of the pitch. Correct?